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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    I think you might be right. However, do the countries that have an enlightened approach such as you have suggested, still have a drug supply problem caused by criminal activity?
    Yes, everywhere has a drug problem. Not everyone has the level of drug related deaths tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahrab View Post
    The sensible option was not to cut drug funding…but then it’s the SNP we’re talking about here.

    They can do no wrong in the cults(sp) eyes.
    Studies in Holland where people were treated as a health problem showed that not only were more people treated successfully, but the country saved money.

    Drug addicts were rehabilitated and went back into work, associated crime like shoplifting went down, which allowed the police to focus on other matters.

    Whether or not these benefits continued long time I can't say, once the trial stopped I had the info I needed, so I am not even sure if the trial became the policy for holland.

    In my opinion, which to be fair means nothing really, any policy which cuts down on deaths and saves money has to be good, no matter who decides to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantzer View Post
    Studies in Holland where people were treated as a health problem showed that not only were more people treated successfully, but the country saved money.

    Drug addicts were rehabilitated and went back into work, associated crime like shoplifting went down, which allowed the police to focus on other matters.

    Whether or not these benefits continued long time I can't say, once the trial stopped I had the info I needed, so I am not even sure if the trial became the policy for holland.

    In my opinion, which to be fair means nothing really, any policy which cuts down on deaths and saves money has to be good, no matter who decides to try it.
    Who the F%ck told you that ****e? You seen Hollands drug problems? They've had so called harm reduction programmes since the 70's and are by far the highest drug users in Europe. Here's wee read for you as to why.

    https://www.addictioncenter.com/news...s-narco-state/

    Remember drugs are still illegal in Holland, the SNP want to legalise them not just treat the jakebombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AuldYin View Post
    Who the F%ck told you that ****e? You seen Hollands drug problems? They've had so called harm reduction programmes since the 70's and are by far the highest drug users in Europe. Here's wee read for you as to why.

    https://www.addictioncenter.com/news...s-narco-state/

    Remember drugs are still illegal in Holland, the SNP want to legalise them not just treat the jakebombs.
    Not sure they actually want to legalise drugs per se. Providing improved facilities, healthcare and help that 'jakebombs' need isn't legalising jack ****.

    Really can't see a day when the wife says she's just nipping to ASDA for a pack of cocaine or a hit of heroin in all honesty

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AuldYin View Post
    Who the F%ck told you that ****e? You seen Hollands drug problems? They've had so called harm reduction programmes since the 70's and are by far the highest drug users in Europe. Here's wee read for you as to why.

    https://www.addictioncenter.com/news...s-narco-state/

    Remember drugs are still illegal in Holland, the SNP want to legalise them not just treat the jakebombs.
    Nobody told me that. I saw it first hand. I am well aware of the drug problems in holland, i am also aware of the drug problems all over europe. Which european country has the highest drug related deaths?

    Any policy which might reduce that number of deaths is surely good?

    Remember that drugs are still illegal in Scotland and nowhere has the snp said they want to legalise them.

    What they want to do is make it safer for addicts and reduce drug related deaths.

    What part of that do you think is wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantzer View Post
    Nobody told me that. I saw it first hand. I am well aware of the drug problems in holland, i am also aware of the drug problems all over europe. Which european country has the highest drug related deaths?

    Any policy which might reduce that number of deaths is surely good?

    Remember that drugs are still illegal in Scotland and nowhere has the snp said they want to legalise them.

    What they want to do is make it safer for addicts and reduce drug related deaths.

    What part of that do you think is wrong?

    The increasing drug deaths in Scotland are a consequence of the SNP cutting funding.

    Everyone who takes a real interest knows that.

    Joe Fitzpatrick got binned from government because of it.

    He got re elected with an increased majority.

    Shows you how much the SNP and its enablers really care.

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    The SNP have said for years they want to legalise all drugs I thought that was common knowledge. So far this has been blocked by Westminster but looks like they're trying to introduce it by stealth with these clinics and drug testing facilities.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...36173#comments

    Their latest effort https://www.itv.com/news/2023-07-07/...on-to-be-legal

    They already supply heroin to drug users in Glasgow and that almost certainly will eventually cover the whole of Scotland. I don't think someone's wife will be going to Asda for it but when legalised someone will have to supply it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahrab View Post
    The increasing drug deaths in Scotland are a consequence of the SNP cutting funding.

    Everyone who takes a real interest knows that.

    Joe Fitzpatrick got binned from government because of it.

    He got re elected with an increased majority.

    Shows you how much the SNP and its enablers really care.
    Anyone who takes a real interest means anyone who dislikes the snp and can never say they have done anything worthwhile.

    Your hatred of the snp is pretty obvious, and makes you blinkered. But you think it makes you smart somehow

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantzer View Post
    Anyone who takes a real interest means anyone who dislikes the snp and can never say they have done anything worthwhile.

    Your hatred of the snp is pretty obvious, and makes you blinkered. But you think it makes you smart somehow
    Tell me 10 worthwhile things they have done in 16yrs.

    Hate is a wasted emotion. Nationalism breeds hate.

    I’m smart enough to see things for what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AuldYin View Post
    The SNP have said for years they want to legalise all drugs I thought that was common knowledge. So far this has been blocked by Westminster but looks like they're trying to introduce it by stealth with these clinics and drug testing facilities.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...36173#comments

    Their latest effort https://www.itv.com/news/2023-07-07/...on-to-be-legal

    They already supply heroin to drug users in Glasgow and that almost certainly will eventually cover the whole of Scotland. I don't think someone's wife will be going to Asda for it but when legalised someone will have to supply it.
    They supply pharmaceutical grade heroine to a lot of people. But so does every country.

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