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[RU66]

I will have a little bet that JCH doesn?t make it through Xmas.

Green up front then better option than previous if he doesn't.

[millersrus]

Crikey and here?s me thinking he was one of our better headers of the ball.
Thing is with headers, there?s different qualities required depending upon where.
Defensive clearing headers, midfield battling and flick ons for others to pickup on and goal scoring headers.
Whilst he maybe not the best at the scoring ones, don?t forget the other types.
That said as we now bypass midfield he would not get many of those.
So it?s defence for him then,
Don?t forget he?s got a decent shot on him too.

[Derbymiller]

So imagine how he feels behind the scenes and remember his agent will be in his ear as well as his family, no contract offer creates insecurity and uncertainty. He has shown himself to be a model professional, hardly ever injured, plays anywhere he is asked, keeps his head down, not mouthed off about the contract. He has been praised by Evans multiple times.....yet our club have not offered him a contract as yet. It has been reported to have been planned multiple times and now the excuse is Evans scared of speaking to TS about it because we were 17th in the league. If anyone believes that crap you need your head examining.
Now there is always the chance that whatever the club offer is refused, that is obvious but the story is that no contract has been offered, at no time do the club say they are in active negotiations with him. Firstly any contract can have relegation and promotion clauses that protect the club if our league status changes. The lad is 26 coming to his prime, he plays in multiple positions in squad that has injury issues and a squad that is already running at least 2 places light. If we have a recruitment team and a COO surely the decision on whether to offer a contract lies with them, surely not every operation of the club has to have SE running to TS to ask permission??
A club that is thinking beyond the next month would be trying to get such a player signed up and our asset protected. We know he can play at this level and at the Championship level, it is likely we will still be a L1 club next season so if someone does want to bid for him in the summer we can make money. It seems to me the club is moving the goalposts on this lad, and screwing up another player contract even though Evans said in the summer that would never happen again, what does our COO actually do?
The issue isn't whether we think he deserves another contract or whether people on here think he is good enough, the manager does and has said so numerous times and as I have said he could refuse the offer, but that isn't the issue here. the issue is yet again awful management of our playing assets, the only real assets the club has.

[UlleyMiller]

So imagine how he feels behind the scenes and remember his agent will be in his ear as well as his family, no contract offer creates insecurity and uncertainty. He has shown himself to be a model professional, hardly ever injured, plays anywhere he is asked, keeps his head down, not mouthed off about the contract. He has been praised by Evans multiple times.....yet our club have not offered him a contract as yet. It has been reported to have been planned multiple times and now the excuse is Evans scared of speaking to TS about it because we were 17th in the league. If anyone believes that crap you need your head examining.
Now there is always the chance that whatever the club offer is refused, that is obvious but the story is that no contract has been offered, at no time do the club say they are in active negotiations with him. Firstly any contract can have relegation and promotion clauses that protect the club if our league status changes. The lad is 26 coming to his prime, he plays in multiple positions in squad that has injury issues and a squad that is already running at least 2 places light. If we have a recruitment team and a COO surely the decision on whether to offer a contract lies with them, surely not every operation of the club has to have SE running to TS to ask permission??
A club that is thinking beyond the next month would be trying to get such a player signed up and our asset protected. We know he can play at this level and at the Championship level, it is likely we will still be a L1 club next season so if someone does want to bid for him in the summer we can make money. It seems to me the club is moving the goalposts on this lad, and screwing up another player contract even though Evans said in the summer that would never happen again, what does our COO actually do?
The issue isn't whether we think he deserves another contract or whether people on here think he is good enough, the manager does and has said so numerous times and as I have said he could refuse the offer, but that isn't the issue here. the issue is yet again awful management of our playing assets, the only real assets the club has.

Completely agree on the points around the human side of this. It's often overlooked that the players are not fantastically well paid, could find themselves unemployed at the end of a contract, and even putting the club's interests aside, do not benefit from uncertainty in most cases.

I'm not clear if the COO is connected to the football end of the business. Not to say he isn't, I just genuinely don't know. I'm very clear what my COO, CFO and CEO do, what their remits are, and who aligns to them. In football this may be very different, and probably from club to club too. I'd always assumed he's very much non-football, and controls the running of the sites, logistics, etc, but I may be way off. The dynamic is always utter *******s when the C-suite includes an owner or, if the website is accurate, is only a COO and then other vague overlapping titles, tenuously making up a board.

Whatever the background, it's ridiculous that yet another player inches toward the door and we're flapping around, uncertain if anyone can make a decision. I don't know what sort of real business has leadership that can't extend a working relationship, and has a degree of discretionary funding to uplift the payment, let alone the ability to quickly get hole of the person who can make a decision.

[RU66]

Haks he's versatile but definitely his best position by far as I've said all along it's centre back. Gives the impression he likes it here so not without a chance he'll sign a new contract here especially now he's playing there will give him more confidence.

[mellowmiller]

If we have a recruitment team and a COO surely the decision on whether to offer a contract lies with them, surely not every operation of the club has to have SE running to TS to ask permission??

Derby, unfortunately that's not how an autocracy works.

[Derbymiller]

Looks like he might be on his way

https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.u...column-4936895

The big question for me is has the club actually made him an offer? previously in interviews Evans was clear that there had been no offers until around October (have to check old articles to get accurate date).

[caytonmiller]

It depends on what the cost will be. Words will have been exchanged between the club and his agent. If we have to make him an offer that makes him the biggest earner at the club the money may not be there this season.
If the money we pay him takes up 2 usually level league 1 wages (ie hugill) then that limits future purchases
End of the day any agent will advise the player too not make a decision now, so imo pointless offering..

[Derbymiller]

It depends on what the cost will be. Words will have been exchanged between the club and his agent. If we have to make him an offer that makes him the biggest earner at the club the money may not be there this season.
If the money we pay him takes up 2 usually level league 1 wages (ie hugill) then that limits future purchases
End of the day any agent will advise the player too not make a decision now, so imo pointless offering..

I don't see that logic at all, you say it is pointless offering him a contract because he might choose to not accept it? He might also be waiting for them to offer and feels let down and betrayed because of the jam tomorrow promises from the club have come to nothing. perhaps if the club had acted earlier and done what it said it world we might not be in this situation and we could have a very good player signed up and not walking out of the door for nothing.

[Townerslovechild]

He and Humphries were 2 of our best players last season,Haks is great player,probably best at CB or CDM,I really hope we have done everything to keep him at the club,but it looks increasingly like he won`t be here next season,which would be a real shame.