O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[howdydoo]

Let?s not for get that 20th January is the date for the councillor Rick Jones?s case as well.

The back story to the Southport killer, is another story in itself.

WTF is going on?

[KerrAvon]

I will quickly address the latest conspiracy theory on here.

Where a defendant is remanded in custody pending trial in England and Wales, a Custody Time Limit (CTL) applies. For cases in the Crown Court, the CTL requires that the trial starts (by evidence being called) within 182 days of the defendant being first remanded. If that doesn't happen, the defendant must be released on bail.

Suffice to say, the prospect of people accused of serious crimes being released on bail is not an attractive one and for that reason, the courts bend over backwards to list cases for trial within the CTL (with the consequence that 'bail cases' are often bumped to make way for 'custody cases'). Given the demands on court time and the need for time for the prosecution and defence to prepare cases, that often means that custody cases will be listed for trial just before the CTL expiry date.

Anthony Esan first remanded in custody on 25th July, whilst Axel Rudakubana was first remanded in custody on 1st August. That makes it almost inevitable that their trials will be starting at around the same time and with a 20th January start being entirely 'normal'.

Ricky Jones (the former Labour councillor) was first remanded in custody on the 9th of August. There is still a bit of wriggle room on his CTL with a 20th January listing, but, on the face of it, his trial is likely to be far simpler and shorter that those against Esan and Rudakubana and so it's not surprising that it is listed a little longer before the CTL expiry (although I would not be surprised if it gets bumped for a few days).

For sake of completeness, I would add that it is possible for the prosecution to apply to extend a CTL, but the test they must meet is a very high one and they and the courts generally work to avoid such applications like the plague (not least because they subvert the will of Parliament, which set the 182 day limit).

I appreciate that this explanation is far less exciting than some talking head on Twitter claiming that court listing officers up and down the country are involved in some sort of weird conspiracy so please feel free to ignore it.

[frogmiller]

Let?s not for get that 20th January is the date for the councillor Rick Jones?s case as well.

The back story to the Southport killer, is another story in itself.

WTF is going on?

It?s not good is it!

[frogmiller]

Imagine him cancelling the next round of voting in the UK under the guise of reorganisation.

[Eternal Optimist]

Imagine him cancelling the next round of voting in the UK under the guise of reorganisation.

Yeah, but according to Labour's Hattie Harperson Reform are a threat to democracy.

[frogmiller]

I will quickly address the latest conspiracy theory on here.

Where a defendant is remanded in custody pending trial in England and Wales, a Custody Time Limit (CTL) applies. For cases in the Crown Court, the CTL requires that the trial starts (by evidence being called) within 182 days of the defendant being first remanded. If that doesn't happen, the defendant must be released on bail.

Suffice to say, the prospect of people accused of serious crimes being released on bail is not an attractive one and for that reason, the courts bend over backwards to list cases for trial within the CTL (with the consequence that 'bail cases' are often bumped to make way for 'custody cases'). Given the demands on court time and the need for time for the prosecution and defence to prepare cases, that often means that custody cases will be listed for trial just before the CTL expiry date.

Anthony Esan first remanded in custody on 25th July, whilst Axel Rudakubana was first remanded in custody on 1st August. That makes it almost inevitable that their trials will be starting at around the same time and with a 20th January start being entirely 'normal'.

Ricky Jones (the former Labour councillor) was first remanded in custody on the 9th of August. There is still a bit of wriggle room on his CTL with a 20th January listing, but, on the face of it, his trial is likely to be far simpler and shorter that those against Esan and Rudakubana and so it's not surprising that it is listed a little longer before the CTL expiry (although I would not be surprised if it gets bumped for a few days).

For sake of completeness, I would add that it is possible for the prosecution to apply to extend a CTL, but the test they must meet is a very high one and they and the courts generally work to avoid such applications like the plague (not least because they subvert the will of Parliament, which set the 182 day limit).

I appreciate that this explanation is far less exciting than some talking head on Twitter claiming that court listing officers up and down the country are involved in some sort of weird conspiracy so please feel free to ignore it.

I said coincidence.

The facts on twitter are right then no? The date for all 3 are the same date.
They could have been earlier though could they not.

Is coincidence not the new word for conspiracy and if you mention the coincidence then you?re a conspiracy theorists.

Like you say it is very complicated but you got to denounce and discredit like a good believer 😂

[OneJohnnyQuinn]

I will quickly address the latest conspiracy theory on here.

Where a defendant is remanded in custody pending trial in England and Wales, a Custody Time Limit (CTL) applies. For cases in the Crown Court, the CTL requires that the trial starts (by evidence being called) within 182 days of the defendant being first remanded. If that doesn't happen, the defendant must be released on bail.

Suffice to say, the prospect of people accused of serious crimes being released on bail is not an attractive one and for that reason, the courts bend over backwards to list cases for trial within the CTL (with the consequence that 'bail cases' are often bumped to make way for 'custody cases'). Given the demands on court time and the need for time for the prosecution and defence to prepare cases, that often means that custody cases will be listed for trial just before the CTL expiry date.

Anthony Esan first remanded in custody on 25th July, whilst Axel Rudakubana was first remanded in custody on 1st August. That makes it almost inevitable that their trials will be starting at around the same time and with a 20th January start being entirely 'normal'.

Ricky Jones (the former Labour councillor) was first remanded in custody on the 9th of August. There is still a bit of wriggle room on his CTL with a 20th January listing, but, on the face of it, his trial is likely to be far simpler and shorter that those against Esan and Rudakubana and so it's not surprising that it is listed a little longer before the CTL expiry (although I would not be surprised if it gets bumped for a few days).

For sake of completeness, I would add that it is possible for the prosecution to apply to extend a CTL, but the test they must meet is a very high one and they and the courts generally work to avoid such applications like the plague (not least because they subvert the will of Parliament, which set the 182 day limit).

I appreciate that this explanation is far less exciting than some talking head on Twitter claiming that court listing officers up and down the country are involved in some sort of weird conspiracy so please feel free to ignore it.

And here endeth todays lesson .true not very exciting

[frogmiller]

And here endeth todays lesson .true not very exciting

And that?s the intention.

Nip it in the bud and stop any sort of questioning 🤨

[frogmiller]

Councillor Steve Edwards isn?t complimentary of the labour leader 😂

[Timbertop]

And don?t forget the Business Secretary who falsely claims to have been a solicitor on his cv. If this was a Tory government the BBC and Sky et al would have forced another election by now. No wonder Reform ,the common sense party,are leading the polls.