OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ragingpup]

. Sorry ragging you’ve lost all credibility being a green party member. That’s the world you live in .

People can support different organisations and still have credible and justified thoughts with an evidence base. I'm quite opposite to Reform and other far right groups but some people who are members there can put together and hold quite coherent and well justified arguments. I wouldn't dismiss them just because they are a member or something I oppose without hearing their argument. That just sounds shallow.

I basically switched from Labour to greens in the late 90s early 00s basically on the back of their animal welfare and environment factor, but as with labour I am considering whether to finally withdraw based on direction of travel. I certainly want to fund opposition voices to what has been effectively a right centre government of the last 50 years on balance, and in danger of going further right. But I won't continue if their policies become as incoherent as other parties. I'll return to Monstar Raving Looney - my natural home.

[Timbertop]

The Monster Raving Looney(Screaming Lord Sutch) Party achieved their highest ever-election poll in the Rotherham constituency in 1994 !!

[animallittle3]

People can support different organisations and still have credible and justified thoughts with an evidence base. I'm quite opposite to Reform and other far right groups but some people who are members there can put together and hold quite coherent and well justified arguments. I wouldn't dismiss them just because they are a member or something I oppose without hearing their argument. That just sounds shallow.

I basically switched from Labour to greens in the late 90s early 00s basically on the back of their animal welfare and environment factor, but as with labour I am considering whether to finally withdraw based on direction of travel. I certainly want to fund opposition voices to what has been effectively a right centre government of the last 50 years on balance, and in danger of going further right. But I won't continue if their policies become as incoherent as other parties. I'll return to Monstar Raving Looney - my natural home.

The problem with Reform and the Greens in my opinion is that they are what I'd call " One Ticket Party's " , Reform campaign on the affects of mass immigration whilst the Greens are predominantly environmentalists .

So with respect raging you aren't quite so opposite to Reform as you may imagine , it's often perceived that the good guys and people of higher education would support the Greens , you only need to read the Guardian comments on the topics of today to see they have significant support .

Reform supporters are deemed to be of less intelligence and are often accused of racism , xenophobia or anti Islam .

Except there's nothing particularly intelligent about the ongoing destruction of the European chemical industry for instance which is becoming uncompetitive mainly due to Green legislation pushed by the Green party's of Europe .

Here's the kicker , the Chinese are the major benefactors and to service the world with the chemicals we need they are building more and more factories and are free from environmental legislation , we've basically handed Europe's chemical manufacturing capability to the Chinese with the subsequent loss of jobs whilst making not a scintilla of difference to the planet other than shift it to another part of the world and compounding an area of the world who already pump more cr@p in to the atmosphere than anyone else even if they didn't manufacture chemicals .

Clearly you don't need to go to university or read the Guardian to work out the absolute nonsense that's occurring , so who are the intelligent good guys now ? .

[ragingpup]

The problem with Reform and the Greens in my opinion is that they are what I'd call " One Ticket Party's " , Reform campaign on the affects of mass immigration whilst the Greens are predominantly environmentalists .

So with respect raging you aren't quite so opposite to Reform as you may imagine , it's often perceived that the good guys and people of higher education would support the Greens , you only need to read the Guardian comments on the topics of today to see they have significant support .

Reform supporters are deemed to be of less intelligence and are often accused of racism , xenophobia or anti Islam .

Except there's nothing particularly intelligent about the ongoing destruction of the European chemical industry for instance which is becoming uncompetitive mainly due to Green legislation pushed by the Green party's of Europe .

Here's the kicker , the Chinese are the major benefactors and to service the world with the chemicals we need they are building more and more factories and are free from environmental legislation , we've basically handed Europe's chemical manufacturing capability to the Chinese with the subsequent loss of jobs whilst making not a scintilla of difference to the planet other than shift it to another part of the world and compounding an area of the world who already pump more cr@p in to the atmosphere than anyone else even if they didn't manufacture chemicals .

Clearly you don't need to go to university or read the Guardian to work out the absolute nonsense that's occurring , so who are the intelligent good guys now ? .

I had to double take and re read that animal. "mainly due to Green legislation pushed by the Green party's of Europe" At the last count, there is not one Green Party in governence in the whole of Europe, and they only form small but significant minorities in 4 EU countries, all of whom they are working with majority centre left/right parties so making much compromise.

The EU have of course been pushing envoronmental policies in a bid to keep a world going for our Grandchildren (another big difference between me and reform, I tend to side with proven science but that's a different debate) and that has had some impact on pushing chemical industries to Chine but to say that is the sole issues, and to not point to the bigger driver of energy prices spiking in Europe since the war in Ukraine just smells of Reform regurg. It doesn't say anything also of China's advantage (competitively, not for the poor workers) in terms of cheaper labour, it doesn't say anything about how the EU have amended their stance on this with their "Plan for stronger EU chemical industry," which includes a simplification package for key EU chemicals legislation to enhance the sector's competitiveness and reduce administrative load on member countries.

And in China, far from being "free from environmental legislation", not a lot of research actually tells us that the Chinese leaders are pushing through a large range of climate legislation (Environmental and Ecological Protection Code I think it's called) and contrary to popular unchallenged belief, have actually worked to reduce their immissions, which they have done in some cities and target more to come. This would seem to indicate that in terms of legislation only, there is a more even playing field to come, that the EU are right to persist with amendments and play the long game - and this is without even going into the business and economic benefits of green energy.

You're right in that you don't need to go to University or read the Guardian to read through a lot of **** in the world. But even some basic internet research from 2 or 3 relatively reliable sources would lead you to challenge your conclusions here.

[CAMiller]

Big heads have rolled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

[Shark27]

Big heads have rolled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

Hopefully their successors are a bit more impartial.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Big heads have rolled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

You see what we have here is a complete generation thats gone through school and university and been indoctrinated in left wing thoughts and doctrine. In turn they get jobs of influence and employ like minded people. These people in turn employ more left wing individuals.

That’s why you get a “balanced” output as programs like Question Time, Have I Got News Got you and The Graham Norton Show are commissioned to push the left wing and woke agenda.

It’s sackings at middle management that’s needed

[Eternal Optimist]

...It?’s sackings at middle management that?’s needed...

Not far enough. Stop the funding - scrap the licence tax.

[mygiddypant]

Not far enough. Stop the funding - scrap the licence tax.

Eternal Mill quoting Grist the Optimist. Good bit of trickery there!

Have you considered that whoever edited Donny's speech might have been doing him a favour?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPY2H0hjltv/

[Eternal Optimist]

Eternal Mill quoting Grist the Optimist. Good bit of trickery there!...

You're at a huge advantage to me and I'm jealous. It appears I haven't consumed anywhere near as much alcohol as you. Is that what's causing your continuous delusion?

Have you considered that whoever edited Donny's speech might have been doing him a favour?

Not really, but I do consider the guilty party/parties at the BBC to be full-weight sh*ts who should be unceremoniously fired on the spot. Hope that clears it up for you