Bolton post match thoughts?

[RU66]

Know I'm not in the cliche on here but said before we signed Martha he wasn't a wide left player. Kaleta never a wide player could see that earlier this season when he was fit.

[RU66]

Know I'm not in the cliche on here but said before we signed Martha wasn't a wide left player position he was supposed play in. Kaleta no loss being injured never a wide player could see that earlier this season when he was fit.

[Lolmorgan]

[QUOTE=Derbymiller;40783538]

The decision for TS is about the January window, a good window could keep us up, but what is a good window for us? Do you trust Scott and Hamshaw with another window?
1, . MH indicated that Martha was wanted, so sell if we can make a bit on him
2. Keep Nombe with agreement to invoke extension but allow him to be sold in the summer
3. Send back sheriff, Holmes?s and teeter
4. Get rid of Kelly, J holmes
5. Compromise agreement with Hugill if possible, but at least try]

Should have said Etete however autocorrect decided that there is not footballer called that and thought teeter was a more accurate word, perhaps it thought teeter on the edge

So that’s 7 gone on your list, do you honestly think T/S will sanction enough money to bring in another 7.

[Brin]

If you look at the stats . We had the 3rd most shots of any away side in the league today. So to say we didn't create anything isn't true . Powell Martha and Nombe. All had good chances to score.. I think James hit the bar or it looked like it from where I was sat..and Hugill and Nombe both had half chances with headers late on ..we were worth a point in my opinion today .. did you honestly see that much of a gulf between us and Bolton, because I certainly didn't, there 3rd and were 4th bottom , there isn't that much between any side in this league.

DPFC, more or less as I saw the game and yes I was there too.,

What I find astounding is the total vitriol towards Hamshaw for yesterday. Yes, he made some errors, some questionable some not so unless you know all the facts which we clearly don't.

Looking at the Advertiser this week, Hamshaw openly says Nombe is only fit to play 25-30 minutes at the moment. We were facing Bolton, a team who had lost 1, drawn 2 and won 3 in their last 6 games so, would you have risked Nombe from the start to an inform team? That's the decision he chose and one he has to accept was wrong as it clearly showed Nombe was well up for it and would have probably played a full game if he started him. On a side note, I didn't think Etete played all that bad but he did think he was more of a midfielder than a forward.

Prior to what everyone thought was a shocking move, Holmes for Douglas, me included, Douglas did take a whack on the ankle about 5 minutes before that. Was that the reason why he brought Holmes on? Only Hamshaw knows why he brought him on.

You have to question two things, and I can clearly see not one person who has posted on this thread has raised the point of their player being offside when they score. Not only is he offside, he knows he is and casually attempts to get back onside but in doing so clearly blocks Dawson's view. I've attached the video evidence below, take a look and you'll clearly see he is and what he does. That goal doesn't stand and it's 0-0 at half time.

Second point of contention. Did Dawson or any other player let Holmes know he had a player about to tackle him from behind? If he was told then he and he alone coast us a point. His actual ball control in seeing the other player off was pathetic in the least. He should never wear our shirt again as he adds nothing and gives everything away. What a clown get rid ASAP.

Where do I question Hamshaw for yesterdays defeat? He needs to drop Martha, what a little showboating pony he is, can't tackle, can't win a header, lazy doesn't track back so offers little to the team at this time. Bench him, the World cup thing has gone to his head and he thinks he's better than what he actually is.

Regarding the Blackpool game. Hamshaw has to go full tilt and start with a back three as we started yesterday, Jules, Douglas,James.

Keep Powell in the middle with Gore. Hugill and Nombe up front, drop Martha like I said. That leaves him with Hall on the right and Baptiste on the left. Lose this one and I'm afraid serious questions may well be asked of Hamshaw because the rest are now pulling away from us. We all know it's not ideal having no Spence or Benson so we have to dig really deep as a team and look to work for each other harder.

I still think Hamshaw is currently the right person at this time to manage us and I totally respect others views but, sacking another Manager already? Patience is called for no matter how thin it is for some, keep the faith UTM!


https://youtu.be/7EA9w2yvl80?si=1yA3E1lHcvSMYaqB

[caytonmiller]

Good points. 2 issues though how long till they are injured again? We don?t need a midfield we just hoof it.

Sorry didn't really answer this. No idea on the injury's. You would except Benson to have another one this season. Spence, who knows.
Tbh our midfield is more about possession without the ball than having that barlaser type player who makes things happen when we have the ball. I don't think this side is far off being a decent league one side.
From what we have seen from the players I would have to say. A 4411 or 451 with
Dawson
Rafferty Douglas Yules James
Hall Spence gore Powell Benson
Nombe
Would be a good base.
Add a LW and a target man and we're not far off

[DonPageFanClub]

Had there 1st goal been scored in the Premier league it wouldn't have stood ,, clearly off side and walked across the view off Dawson. And these are the fine margins that annoy you as a fan , because earlier in the season we equalised against Stockport late on through Kelly late on , and that was disallowed for offside , but had that been in the Premier league it would have stood .

[Back of the net]

DPFC, more or less as I saw the game and yes I was there too.,

What I find astounding is the total vitriol towards Hamshaw for yesterday. Yes, he made some errors, some questionable some not so unless you know all the facts which we clearly don't.

Looking at the Advertiser this week, Hamshaw openly says Nombe is only fit to play 25-30 minutes at the moment. We were facing Bolton, a team who had lost 1, drawn 2 and won 3 in their last 6 games so, would you have risked Nombe from the start to an inform team? That's the decision he chose and one he has to accept was wrong as it clearly showed Nombe was well up for it and would have probably played a full game if he started him. On a side note, I didn't think Etete played all that bad but he did think he was more of a midfielder than a forward.

Prior to what everyone thought was a shocking move, Holmes for Douglas, me included, Douglas did take a whack on the ankle about 5 minutes before that. Was that the reason why he brought Holmes on? Only Hamshaw knows why he brought him on.

You have to question two things, and I can clearly see not one person who has posted on this thread has raised the point of their player being offside when they score. Not only is he offside, he knows he is and casually attempts to get back onside but in doing so clearly blocks Dawson's view. I've attached the video evidence below, take a look and you'll clearly see he is and what he does. That goal doesn't stand and it's 0-0 at half time.

Second point of contention. Did Dawson or any other player let Holmes know he had a player about to tackle him from behind? If he was told then he and he alone coast us a point. His actual ball control in seeing the other player off was pathetic in the least. He should never wear our shirt again as he adds nothing and gives everything away. What a clown get rid ASAP.

Where do I question Hamshaw for yesterdays defeat? He needs to drop Martha, what a little showboating pony he is, can't tackle, can't win a header, lazy doesn't track back so offers little to the team at this time. Bench him, the World cup thing has gone to his head and he thinks he's better than what he actually is.

Regarding the Blackpool game. Hamshaw has to go full tilt and start with a back three as we started yesterday, Jules, Douglas,James.

Keep Powell in the middle with Gore. Hugill and Nombe up front, drop Martha like I said. That leaves him with Hall on the right and Baptiste on the left. Lose this one and I'm afraid serious questions may well be asked of Hamshaw because the rest are now pulling away from us. We all know it's not ideal having no Spence or Benson so we have to dig really deep as a team and look to work for each other harder.

I still think Hamshaw is currently the right person at this time to manage us and I totally respect others views but, sacking another Manager already? Patience is called for no matter how thin it is for some, keep the faith UTM!


https://youtu.be/7EA9w2yvl80?si=1yA3E1lHcvSMYaqB

We were poor and didn’t deserve anything from the game I was there yesterday and we really can’t retain possession. Have you seen the stats?
We’re set up negatively and it’s boring hoofball and not effective.
Evans, Taylor, and other managers got criticism and most thought it was ok.
MH seems to have a little more leverage because he’s from Rotherham.
His signings have been suspect at best.
I’ll judge him on results and performances and he’s failing on both scores.
He’s had praise do he has to take the flak. Should he be sacked? On the basis of the last manager and what happened to Taylor yes he should.
His post match interviews are embarrassing and smacks of desperation.
That is on him nobody else.

[Derbymiller]

[QUOTE=Lolmorgan;40783584]

So that’s 7 gone on your list, do you honestly think T/S will sanction enough money to bring in another 7.

No of course not, but I think not taking drastic action will cost him more money via relegation. My post is just my opinion what needs to happen

[mygiddypant]

DPFC, more or less as I saw the game and yes I was there too.,

What I find astounding is the total vitriol towards Hamshaw for yesterday. Yes, he made some errors, some questionable some not so unless you know all the facts which we clearly don't.

Looking at the Advertiser this week, Hamshaw openly says Nombe is only fit to play 25-30 minutes at the moment. We were facing Bolton, a team who had lost 1, drawn 2 and won 3 in their last 6 games so, would you have risked Nombe from the start to an inform team? That's the decision he chose and one he has to accept was wrong as it clearly showed Nombe was well up for it and would have probably played a full game if he started him. On a side note, I didn't think Etete played all that bad but he did think he was more of a midfielder than a forward.

Prior to what everyone thought was a shocking move, Holmes for Douglas, me included, Douglas did take a whack on the ankle about 5 minutes before that. Was that the reason why he brought Holmes on? Only Hamshaw knows why he brought him on.

You have to question two things, and I can clearly see not one person who has posted on this thread has raised the point of their player being offside when they score. Not only is he offside, he knows he is and casually attempts to get back onside but in doing so clearly blocks Dawson's view. I've attached the video evidence below, take a look and you'll clearly see he is and what he does. That goal doesn't stand and it's 0-0 at half time.

Second point of contention. Did Dawson or any other player let Holmes know he had a player about to tackle him from behind? If he was told then he and he alone coast us a point. His actual ball control in seeing the other player off was pathetic in the least. He should never wear our shirt again as he adds nothing and gives everything away. What a clown get rid ASAP.

Where do I question Hamshaw for yesterdays defeat? He needs to drop Martha, what a little showboating pony he is, can't tackle, can't win a header, lazy doesn't track back so offers little to the team at this time. Bench him, the World cup thing has gone to his head and he thinks he's better than what he actually is.

Regarding the Blackpool game. Hamshaw has to go full tilt and start with a back three as we started yesterday, Jules, Douglas,James.

Keep Powell in the middle with Gore. Hugill and Nombe up front, drop Martha like I said. That leaves him with Hall on the right and Baptiste on the left. Lose this one and I'm afraid serious questions may well be asked of Hamshaw because the rest are now pulling away from us. We all know it's not ideal having no Spence or Benson so we have to dig really deep as a team and look to work for each other harder.

I still think Hamshaw is currently the right person at this time to manage us and I totally respect others views but, sacking another Manager already? Patience is called for no matter how thin it is for some, keep the faith UTM!


https://youtu.be/7EA9w2yvl80?si=1yA3E1lHcvSMYaqB

Some good points Brin. I think Martha has one eye on the World Cup. He doesn't fully commit to a strong challenge, presumably on the basis of not wanting to risk an injury.

[mygiddypant]

What's coming through loud and clear is the disconnect between the club and fans , this is something I can identity with because it's the same at Oakwell , we've both lost our way on the pitch and so the disconnect grows .

The reason for the disconnect isn't necessarily the fault of Rotherham or Barnsley but more to do with the way the game is today and if you are of a certain age you remember what it once was , which isn't to say the game was perfect back in the day but in my opinion there was more connection between players and fans back then mainly because there wasn't a massive differential in what John Breckin earned and the fans stood on the Tivoli End .

Paul Stancliffe stayed at Rotherham for a number of season's as did Mick McCarthy at Oakwell and you saw these players grow from young lads , neither today would be around more than one season and so you never feel that same connection anymore .

It's hard to imagine that John Stones ever played for Barnsley at all , it's like it never happened and he's one of the best players we've ever produced and so when you factor in the hundreds of journeyman we've seen wear the colours of both clubs the disconnect never leaves us .

It gets diluted when we have a bit of success i guess , promotions to league one and so forth but even then it doesn't feel like 1980 / 81 either and so when you are having a poor time of it as we both are right now there's not a right lot to hang your hat on .

Both of our clubs it seems to me are desperate for some new energy , nobody seems to know how to get ourselves out of this rut , you used to hear alot of Tony Stewart in the media and now you don't so much and we had an owner who watched every single game , the current owner is foreign and almost never in the country .

The truth is there's nothing going on right now that you'd miss so much , just treading water and hoping something turns up is about the best of it , it turns out the best of it in any case would be promoted to the next level in a league we can't compete in which wasn't how I felt in 1981 and I guess neither did the Millers .

No doubt there's something in what you say about older fans, but doesn't social media add a dimension that wasn't available 'back in the day'?

You can hear the manager's opinions in real time and read views which support your own thoughts from people you have never/will never meet.

The vitriol you see on here isn't, unfortunately, unique to Rotherham. Is it symptomatic of a generation raised on social media? Is the abuse freely given by some more noticeable one here? I think so. Perhaps there's something that contributes to the bitter negativity of some that is specific to Rotherham, but I don't know what it might be, or what gave rise to it.