Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

Farage defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what an horrific human he is.

[Trickytreesreds]

Farage defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what an horrific human he is.

If you are going to slate him, at least have the decency to quote all of what he said.............
The Reform UK leader said that the “ever-eastward expansion of Nato and the European Union” gave Vladimir Putin a reason to justify war.

The comments in a BBC Panorama interview with Nick Robinson echo arguments made by Donald Trump, the former US president and friend of Mr Farage.

Mr Farage was asked why he had “blamed the West” for Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

He said: “Right, I’ll tell you what you don’t know, I stood up in the European Parliament in 2014 and I said, and I quote, ‘there will be a war in Ukraine’.

“Why did I say that? It was obvious to me that the ever-eastward expansion of Nato and the European Union was giving this man a reason to his Russian people to say, ‘they’re coming for us again’ and to go to war.”
Pressed on whether his rhetoric was echoing that of the Russian president, Mr Farage said: “But, hang on a second, we provoked this war. It’s – you know, of course it’s his fault, he’s used what we’ve done as an excuse.”

Asked if he was saying the West “provoked the invasion of Ukraine”, Mr Farage responded: “Yes.”

He added: “By the way, I’m the only person in British politics that predicted what would happen, and of course everyone said I was a pariah for daring to suggest it.

[ramAnag]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

In the EU parliament, Farage lambasted the EU arrogance of east european expansion. Perhaps you have forgotten the Reagan / Gorbachev agreements on encroachment?
Try listening to the whole speech before scoffing and shove your personal bias to one side. What he said was spot on.
He isn't defending Putin, but pointed out that the West did its part in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNsXEu8ljM

[ramAnag]

In the EU parliament, Farage lambasted the EU arrogance of east european expansion. Perhaps you have forgotten the Reagan / Gorbachev agreements on encroachment?
Try listening to the whole speech before scoffing and shove your personal bias to one side. What he said was spot on.
He isn't defending Putin, but pointed out that the West did its part in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNsXEu8ljM

Do you ever read what you are replying to? Both you and the ‘man’ himself held Farage up as someone with great political insight and wisdom because in 2014 it is suggested that he was the first person to predict war in Ukraine. I’m just reminding you that, seeing as the opening shots were fired - over Crimea - in February of that year it wasn’t enormously difficult. N stands for Nigel, not Nostradamus.

[Andy_Faber]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

Yet western leaders were in denial about it even as the Ruskies were topping up their tanks with diesel ready for the invasion. Maybe they should have listened to that one piece of foresight, after all he called Brexit right as well

[MadAmster]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

[Trickytreesreds]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

absolute bull****. Out of all the immigrants coming in, only 300 000 were actually work visas, the rest made up a mish mash of students/ dependents/ asylum. It is why GDP per capita has fallen through the floor.
https://obr.uk/box/net-migration-for...n-the-economy/

[MadAmster]

absolute bull****. Out of all the immigrants coming in, only 300 000 were actually work visas, the rest made up a mish mash of students/ dependents/ asylum. It is why GDP per capita has fallen through the floor.
https://obr.uk/box/net-migration-for...n-the-economy/

Of course, TTR always knows better than the IFS. SMH.

[Andy_Faber]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

Yet I can quote ‘a recent study’ where it was calculated that first generation immigrants with two dependants need to earn £90kpa to be met positive to ukplc which over 90% (of people) never achieve.(also fact). Seriously There’s so much data knocking around that it’s easy to substantiate ANY position on this that you, I or anyone want to take