OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[MadAmster]

Raab moves from the Foreign Office and is deemed to have been demoted. He now has 2 roles, Lord Chancellor AND Deputy Prime Minister.

Is it really a demotion? Anything happens to BoJo, it's Dom Raab who becomes PM, not Lizzi Truss.

[Geoff Parkstone]

This is a wise move by Boris to offset the risk of being impeached etc, a bit like American presidents appointing someone worse than they themselves are as vice president. Assassinate me and you get him................

[MadAmster]

I support blm. I do not support BLM. I support players expressing their feelings against racism and any form of discrimination/inequality. I do not support those who boo them for doing so. I support the LGBT etc clamour for equality. That kind of woke, I am proud to support.

Then you have those who see themselves a "woke" who are actually conspiracy theorists. They believe 5G will boil our blood and fry our brains. 5G has been in test for a couple of years and the rollout was some 15 months ago. My blood and brains are still in order (although some may disagree with the latter). They believe either that CV19 doesn't exist or that it was spread by 5G. Ridiculous. They believe that the vaccine contains some kind of tracking device and/or facilitates mind control. They think the whole thing is part of some grand plan to further subserviate mankind by the "1%". Dumbasses. They believe "doctors" like the the American Dr Tenpenny who has written that all those double vaxxed will die in between 14 and 18 months of their 2nd dose. I don't believe a word of it and have said before that if it starts to happen then Dutch politicians had better have a great place to hide as millions will go looking for them. I presume similar would happen in England. The vast majority of police and the armed forces have been vaxxed and they won't be protecting them..........

[Geoff Parkstone]

German wine tricky? How very gauche.

As regards woke issues, whilst I have sympathy to many of the issues, I am very much more half asleep in general than woke. Rather like MA, I accept aspects where things are clearly wrong, but not the entire "political movement". And the more people try to shove it down my throat, the more I resume sleep.

As for cancel culture, Ive never experienced it and like to think I'd laugh in its face if I did. As for its impact on celebrities - well who gives a ****: if you put yourself and your opinions out there for benefit/aggrandisement etc, you deserve all you get in feedback.

[Andy_Faber]

German wine tricky? How very gauche.

As regards woke issues, whilst I have sympathy to many of the issues, I am very much more half asleep in general than woke. Rather like MA, I accept aspects where things are clearly wrong, but not the entire "political movement". And the more people try to shove it down my throat, the more I resume sleep.

As for cancel culture, Ive never experienced it and like to think I'd laugh in its face if I did. As for its impact on celebrities - well who gives a ****: if you put yourself and your opinions out there for benefit/aggrandisement etc, you deserve all you get in feedback.

I only mention what I've experienced not merely heard about, my most blatant experience has been (attempted) censoring of 'my' (lol) covers band's set list (twice, at the same venue, but by different people), our response being 'we play for money, we play what you want, we pay for free, we pay what the **** WE want'. We were playing for free.

[ramAnag]

So Andy...can’t give an example. MA...I totally agree about the the vaccine deniers and general nutters...and Tricky...the best you can do is an example from ‘kin Coronation Street that I defy anyone to understand.
Come back when you’ve got a proper argument against ‘woke’...all it means is that you’re politically aware and have thought a few things through about injustice in today’s society.

[Andy_Faber]

So Andy...can’t give an example. MA...I totally agree about the the vaccine deniers and general nutters...and Tricky...the best you can do is an example from ‘kin Coronation Street that I defy anyone to understand.
Come back when you’ve got a proper argument against ‘woke’...all it means is that you’re politically aware and have thought a few things through about injustice in today’s society.

Your comment suggests you haven't quite 'got it' on the woke thing rA, its become a word/phrase that can be used as a positive and a negative for the same activity at the same time. The word 'bad' works the same way these days, my girls and their b/f's would describe a piece of rap as 'bad' by way of praise, I might describe the same piece as bad because I think its Godawful

The description of 'wokewashing' in the wiki piece describes an inclination that even you must have noticed - the massive overrepresentation of certain minorities in advertising - and gives a pretty good summary of its purpose and potential backlash.

[Trickytreesreds]

Your comment suggests you haven't quite 'got it' on the woke thing rA, its become a word/phrase that can be used as a positive and a negative for the same activity at the same time. The word 'bad' works the same way these days, my girls and their b/f's would describe a piece of rap as 'bad' by way of praise, I might describe the same piece as bad because I think its Godawful

The description of 'wokewashing' in the wiki piece describes an inclination that even you must have noticed - the massive overrepresentation of certain minorities in advertising - and gives a pretty good summary of its purpose and potential backlash.

He doesn't get it all Andy. Instead of the scales being balanced, they have tipped so far, as to over compensate to the point of it being rammed down your throat. There is also, the name and shame side of it as well. Guilt being the major weapon of choice.
WOKE sounds like everyone was blind, but yay, now I can see. The reality is, it has become an annoyance more than a revelation.

Oh and RA, my point was about the TV broadcaster, not the soap/ or the characters.
The topic was chosen, then taken to the Nth degree of shaming by the itv network, in what is supposed to be light entertainment viewing.

[ramAnag]

Your comment suggests you haven't quite 'got it' on the woke thing rA, its become a word/phrase that can be used as a positive and a negative for the same activity at the same time. The word 'bad' works the same way these days, my girls and their b/f's would describe a piece of rap as 'bad' by way of praise, I might describe the same piece as bad because I think its Godawful

The description of 'wokewashing' in the wiki piece describes an inclination that even you must have noticed - the massive overrepresentation of certain minorities in advertising - and gives a pretty good summary of its purpose and potential backlash.

That though is not what you said Andy. You said ‘...woke has been comprehensively hijacked and is now a pejorative’.
It is only seen that way by those who mourn the passing of/threat to white male supremacy whether that be in relation to race or gender.
Of course there will be people who are over sensitive, who have a complete sense of humour failure where anything remotely un PC is mentioned, but you have to look at the bigger picture and, ‘woke’, in terms of raising awareness about injustice and ingrained unfairness in the World is a good thing.
Only those who hark back to a world where a woman’s place was in the kitchen, where black and Asian people were regarded as second class citizens (at best) and where being gay was a crime would think otherwise.
Unfortunately, and to an extent coincidentally, I suspect all too many of those who voted for Brexit might hanker after a return to such a world.

[Trickytreesreds]

That though is not what you said Andy. You said ‘...woke has been comprehensively hijacked and is now a pejorative’.
It is only seen that way by those who mourn the passing of/threat to white male supremacy whether that be in relation to race or gender.
Of course there will be people who are over sensitive, who have a complete sense of humour failure where anything remotely un PC is mentioned, but you have to look at the bigger picture and, ‘woke’, in terms of raising awareness about injustice and ingrained unfairness in the World is a good thing.
Only those who hark back to a world where a woman’s place was in the kitchen, where black and Asian people were regarded as second class citizens (at best) and where being gay was a crime would think otherwise.
Unfortunately, and to an extent coincidentally, I suspect all too many of those who voted for Brexit might hanker after a return to such a world.

So which part of "hijacked" by the woke brigade don't you understand?
When things get taken to far, and others opinions/beliefs/standards over ride yours?

Poor Chubby Brown. A comedian who pushes the boundaries of good taste. Yet under a free society should be allowed to perform.
But when others decide that his show breeches their morals, is dangerous ground.

It has happened to him many times, when local councils, decide his act is not to their taste.
No one forces you to attend his shows, so you cannot be offended.
But when you make a unilateral decision on everyones behalf, it mirrors what the Nazi's and Communists/Taliban have done.