F*ckin Brexit

[mondo_notion]

The tory supporting fishing industry f ucked up big time by following the biggest con trick of all time.

No idea what they expected by losing access to their biggest single market, but f uck them.

It was almost war-time like waving of the union jack and invisible borders being disputed. 'British fishing rights in British waters for British fishing boats only'.

They completely forgot that British people don't eat the seafood they wanted monopolized quotas on.

[Shetland Don]

The tory supporting fishing industry f ucked up big time by following the biggest con trick of all time.

No idea what they expected by losing access to their biggest single market, but f uck them.

The tory supporting fishing industry f ucked up big time by following the biggest con trick of all time.

No idea what they expected by losing access to their biggest single market, but f uck them.

The recent fish quota allocations are up significantly though and the Scottish fishermen are largely happy, even if the post-brexit bonanza alluded to didn’t wholly materialise. Additionally, whole-fish market prices are at an all-time high with the consequence that staple white fish fillet prices are comparable with quality steak, often higher, and beyond the financial reach of many (most, even) families. The overall catch restrictions combined with vessel decommissioning in recent decades keeps those prices high as does the fact that fishing licences, under the watch of successive UK Governments, have become limited and are high-value tradable commodities, despite the fact that the Government gave these away, gratis. That for many is hugely iniquitous especially considering that fish are generally considered a common resource and should arguably be accessible to all, in equal measure. The EU Common Fisheries Policy actually worked, despite industry opposition and “black” landings, and the “free-for-all” attitude that many operations had adopted would surely have decimated fish stocks without the intervention of the UK and other regulatory authorities. What’s for sure though, and history tells us this, is that the fishermen can never have enough no matter how much they catch and how high the prices go. As things stand, rest assured that Brexit has been good, VERY GOOD INDEED, for the Scottish fishing industry.

[stewarty27]

The recent fish quota allocations are up significantly though and the Scottish fishermen are largely happy, even if the post-brexit bonanza alluded to didn’t wholly materialise. Additionally, whole-fish market prices are at an all-time high with the consequence that staple white fish fillet prices are comparable with quality steak, often higher, and beyond the financial reach of many (most, even) families. The overall catch restrictions combined with vessel decommissioning in recent decades keeps those prices high as does the fact that fishing licences, under the watch of successive UK Governments, have become limited and are high-value tradable commodities, despite the fact that the Government gave these away, gratis. That for many is hugely iniquitous especially considering that fish are generally considered a common resource and should arguably be accessible to all, in equal measure. The EU Common Fisheries Policy actually worked, despite industry opposition and “black” landings, and the “free-for-all” attitude that many operations had adopted would surely have decimated fish stocks without the intervention of the UK and other regulatory authorities. What’s for sure though, and history tells us this, is that the fishermen can never have enough no matter how much they catch and how high the prices go. As things stand, rest assured that Brexit has been good, VERY GOOD INDEED, for the Scottish fishing industry.

Your view/take on this seems to be contradicted by Mike Park.

Mike Park, Chief Executive of the Scottish White Fish Producers Association, said:

“Setting politics aside, the members of SWFPA are deeply aggrieved at the very challenging situation they now face for 2021.

“Whereas we have gained modest uplifts in shares for some stocks the stark reality is that the demersal sector enter 2021 facing significant shortfalls across a range of key species, which is down to the fact that we can no longer enter into direct swaps with colleagues in Europe.

“In addition, the issue of sovereignty and our future ability to negotiate additional shares after the five and a half year window would seem clouded by so much complexity that it is difficult at this time to see how the UK government can use its newly recovered sovereignty to improve the situation of my members.”

Now this was 2021 things may have changed significantly, I doubt it tho.

Full analysis here,

https://www.gov.scot/news/brexit-dea...20and%20Saithe.

[Shetland Don]

Your view/take on this seems to be contradicted by Mike Park.

Mike Park, Chief Executive of the Scottish White Fish Producers Association, said:

“Setting politics aside, the members of SWFPA are deeply aggrieved at the very challenging situation they now face for 2021.

“Whereas we have gained modest uplifts in shares for some stocks the stark reality is that the demersal sector enter 2021 facing significant shortfalls across a range of key species, which is down to the fact that we can no longer enter into direct swaps with colleagues in Europe.

“In addition, the issue of sovereignty and our future ability to negotiate additional shares after the five and a half year window would seem clouded by so much complexity that it is difficult at this time to see how the UK government can use its newly recovered sovereignty to improve the situation of my members.”

Now this was 2021 things may have changed significantly, I doubt it tho.

Full analysis here,

https://www.gov.scot/news/brexit-dea...20and%20Saithe.

I have no doubt that Mr Park would make such claims and that’s indeed consistent with my penultimate sentence. Mr Park has a history of breaching the rules, prolifically I believe, as a former fisherman himself who didn’t fish within legitimate quota allowances. Things have actually changed since 2021 with significant recent quota uplifts in cod, haddock, whiting etc.

[57vintage]

Our shelves are bare. Supermarkets in Britain have resorted to rationing tomatoes because of huge shortages.

Asda has set a limit of three per person on tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers and other salad veg, while Morrisons has a maximum of two per person. Other supermarkets are set to follow suit and they say the shortages will last "weeks".

And the cause is... you guessed it, Brexit.

But as ever, this is disputed. The media have settled on "cold weather in Spain" as the reason for the problems. Oddly though there is no tomato shortage in... Spain.

They claim it is a Europe-wide shortage. But there is no tomato rationing in the EU.

We have issued an open challenge on social media for anyone to send us one single example of the rationing of fresh produce from anywhere in the EU, and no one has. Because it doesn't exist.

In fact, Twitter is full of photos from Spain, France, Italy, Greece and beyond showing supermarkets positively heaving with tomatoes. Our own supporters living in the EU have told us there are no shortages. European media are reporting on a UK tomato shortage, not a European one.

There is only one country with a problem, and once again it is the one that has cut itself off from the rest of Europe.

Yes, we have no tomatoes

Now, there is some truth in the point about the weather. Spanish tomato production is down. Moroccan tomato yields – which the UK hoped to rely on instead of EU crops – are down further.

So how is Brexit the cause?

Britain has long relied on imported EU fruit and veg during the winter. But since Brexit produce has been having a hard time making it from the EU without long delays and queues at ports, as shown by the noticeably shorter shelf lives lately.

Now, imagine you are a tomato grower with a shortfall. There is enough demand to sell your whole crop inside the EU single market, where you face no barriers between countries. Why would you bother to incur the expense and inconvenience of shipping it across the Brexit border?

One further relevant piece of evidence: the tomato problem is not affecting Northern Ireland!

Brexit has also increased Britain's reliance on non-EU imports, which in the case of tomatoes means Morocco. They have been worse hit than Spain, with floods and cancelled shipping.

Inside the EU, countries can rely on each other when problems like this hit, and rapidly shift around supply chains to keep the shelves well stocked. But outside the EU, we're on our own.

Just remember this

If you only remember one thing from this message, make it this:

There is tomato rationing in Brexit Britain. There is no tomato rationing in the EU.

[TheDeeDon]

Our shelves are bare. Supermarkets in Britain have resorted to rationing tomatoes because of huge shortages.

Asda has set a limit of three per person on tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers and other salad veg, while Morrisons has a maximum of two per person. Other supermarkets are set to follow suit and they say the shortages will last "weeks".

And the cause is... you guessed it, Brexit.

But as ever, this is disputed. The media have settled on "cold weather in Spain" as the reason for the problems. Oddly though there is no tomato shortage in... Spain.

They claim it is a Europe-wide shortage. But there is no tomato rationing in the EU.

We have issued an open challenge on social media for anyone to send us one single example of the rationing of fresh produce from anywhere in the EU, and no one has. Because it doesn't exist.

In fact, Twitter is full of photos from Spain, France, Italy, Greece and beyond showing supermarkets positively heaving with tomatoes. Our own supporters living in the EU have told us there are no shortages. European media are reporting on a UK tomato shortage, not a European one.

There is only one country with a problem, and once again it is the one that has cut itself off from the rest of Europe.

Yes, we have no tomatoes

Now, there is some truth in the point about the weather. Spanish tomato production is down. Moroccan tomato yields – which the UK hoped to rely on instead of EU crops – are down further.

So how is Brexit the cause?

Britain has long relied on imported EU fruit and veg during the winter. But since Brexit produce has been having a hard time making it from the EU without long delays and queues at ports, as shown by the noticeably shorter shelf lives lately.

Now, imagine you are a tomato grower with a shortfall. There is enough demand to sell your whole crop inside the EU single market, where you face no barriers between countries. Why would you bother to incur the expense and inconvenience of shipping it across the Brexit border?

One further relevant piece of evidence: the tomato problem is not affecting Northern Ireland!

Brexit has also increased Britain's reliance on non-EU imports, which in the case of tomatoes means Morocco. They have been worse hit than Spain, with floods and cancelled shipping.

Inside the EU, countries can rely on each other when problems like this hit, and rapidly shift around supply chains to keep the shelves well stocked. But outside the EU, we're on our own.

Just remember this

If you only remember one thing from this message, make it this:

There is tomato rationing in Brexit Britain. There is no tomato rationing in the EU.

It's nae Brexit though.

It is either

Sturgeon
War in Ukraine
Sturgeon
Corbyn
Labour government 97-2010
Sturgeon
Russian hackers
Chinese Balloons
Sturgeon
North Korea

[57vintage]

It's nae Brexit though.

It is either

Sturgeon
War in Ukraine
Sturgeon
Corbyn
Labour government 97-2010
Sturgeon
Russian hackers
Chinese Balloons
Sturgeon
North Korea

I beg your pardon? We’ve had enough of experts, remember?

Commie talk.

Awa and bide in Russia etc

[TheDeeDon]

Commie talk.

Awa and bide in Russia etc

Nae the first time I've been telt that.

Go back to where I come from too. Never been sure on that one, but possibly referring to me coming fae Torry, which for many would be a worse crime than Russia.

[57vintage]

I spent about a decade being told that in the pubs of Banffshire, and the St Machar and Pittodrie bars. Ironically, not in the oddly-monikered Prince of Wales though, a left stronghold.

Then the Wall came down, and we found out that Eastern European women were not, as propaganda insisted, all built like steroid-pumped Bulgarian shot-putters. Maybe I should have taken the conservative north-easterners’ advice?


No saviour from on high deliver
No trust have we in prince or peer

[Donanddusted]

Our shelves are bare. Supermarkets in Britain have resorted to rationing tomatoes because of huge shortages.

Asda has set a limit of three per person on tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers and other salad veg, while Morrisons has a maximum of two per person. Other supermarkets are set to follow suit and they say the shortages will last "weeks".

And the cause is... you guessed it, Brexit.

But as ever, this is disputed. The media have settled on "cold weather in Spain" as the reason for the problems. Oddly though there is no tomato shortage in... Spain.

They claim it is a Europe-wide shortage. But there is no tomato rationing in the EU.

We have issued an open challenge on social media for anyone to send us one single example of the rationing of fresh produce from anywhere in the EU, and no one has. Because it doesn't exist.

In fact, Twitter is full of photos from Spain, France, Italy, Greece and beyond showing supermarkets positively heaving with tomatoes. Our own supporters living in the EU have told us there are no shortages. European media are reporting on a UK tomato shortage, not a European one.

There is only one country with a problem, and once again it is the one that has cut itself off from the rest of Europe.

Yes, we have no tomatoes

Now, there is some truth in the point about the weather. Spanish tomato production is down. Moroccan tomato yields – which the UK hoped to rely on instead of EU crops – are down further.

So how is Brexit the cause?

Britain has long relied on imported EU fruit and veg during the winter. But since Brexit produce has been having a hard time making it from the EU without long delays and queues at ports, as shown by the noticeably shorter shelf lives lately.

Now, imagine you are a tomato grower with a shortfall. There is enough demand to sell your whole crop inside the EU single market, where you face no barriers between countries. Why would you bother to incur the expense and inconvenience of shipping it across the Brexit border?

One further relevant piece of evidence: the tomato problem is not affecting Northern Ireland!

Brexit has also increased Britain's reliance on non-EU imports, which in the case of tomatoes means Morocco. They have been worse hit than Spain, with floods and cancelled shipping.

Inside the EU, countries can rely on each other when problems like this hit, and rapidly shift around supply chains to keep the shelves well stocked. But outside the EU, we're on our own.

Just remember this

If you only remember one thing from this message, make it this:

There is tomato rationing in Brexit Britain. There is no tomato rationing in the EU.

And yet, I've not read a single article in msm that states that Brexit is a major part of the problem.
Could it be that sm has got this wrong?
I mean, if you cannot trust the BBC...