Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

You are correct, but those same folks want to see a reaction of an alternative way. Flip flop has opened his mouth twice and made himself look a complete ****.
The sooner the voting system is changed to force politicians to actually represent their constituents the better.

It makes me chuckle how you just parrot stuff spewed out by dodgy media, perhaps you might try thinking for yourself sometimes and come up with some original thoughts?

[Trickytreesreds]

It makes me chuckle how you just parrot stuff spewed out by dodgy media, perhaps you might try thinking for yourself sometimes and come up with some original thoughts?

Really? So Starmer who has kept his mouth shut on the whole, finally opens it and gets shot down in flames?
His ideas are vague at best and probably change direction within 24 hours.
In fact, the name WINDSOCK suits him better than flip flop

[Andy_Faber]

You're both wasting your breath on immigration because opinions are entrenched

[Andy_Faber]

Heartening to see last night that Labour appear to be trying to step up to the plate on incompetence, evasion and stumbling over their lines. Attorney General Emily Thornberry, so up herself she SHOULD be a Conservative, making an absolute Horlicks of defending Starmer’s status of being pro starvation of the Gazans. And she wasn’t even being grilled by a proper interviewer, just Victoria Derbyshire

Truly preparing for Government

[ramAnag]

Heartening to see last night that Labour appear to be trying to step up to the plate on incompetence, evasion and stumbling over their lines. Attorney General Emily Thornberry, so up herself she SHOULD be a Conservative, making an absolute Horlicks of defending Starmer’s status of being pro starvation of the Gazans. And she wasn’t even being grilled by a proper interviewer, just Victoria Derbyshire

Truly preparing for Government

Emily Thornberry has never been one of my favourite politicians, AF...however to question Labour’s readiness for government and compare the level of incompetence to that of the current regime on the basis of one person’s reaction to the latest Israeli based crisis seems a tad harsh.
When you’re dealing with such utterly atrocious and inhumane behaviour on both sides and a problem which has existed, in one form or another, throughout all our lives I’d imagine finding a clearly thought out answer is more than a little difficult.
I think ‘preparing for government’ needs to be shown on the basis of planning for, in no particular order, the NHS, Education, Transport, Housing, Climate/Energy, the environment, the ongoing implications of Brexit, and our economy in general...getting our own ‘house in order’...rather than utterances on the terrible and senseless Israel/Hamas conflict.

[Andy_Faber]

Emily Thornberry has never been one of my favourite politicians, AF...however to question Labour’s readiness for government and compare the level of incompetence to that of the current regime on the basis of one person’s reaction to the latest Israeli based crisis seems a tad harsh.
When you’re dealing with such utterly atrocious and inhumane behaviour on both sides and a problem which has existed, in one form or another, throughout all our lives I’d imagine finding a clearly thought out answer is more than a little difficult.
I think ‘preparing for government’ needs to be shown on the basis of planning for, in no particular order, the NHS, Education, Transport, Housing, Climate/Energy, the environment, the ongoing implications of Brexit, and our economy in general...getting our own ‘house in order’...rather than utterances on the terrible and senseless Israel/Hamas conflict.

You need to see the interview rA. Starmer has had plenty of time to get his stance on such conflicts together, and he's decided it's right to starve a population of innocents. Fair enough. My observation was Thornberry's failure to answer a direct question asked multiple times. Depressingly like the current administration IMHO

Glad we share an opinion on the woman herself anyway

[ramAnag]

You need to see the interview rA. Starmer has had plenty of time to get his stance on such conflicts together, and he's decided it's right to starve a population of innocents. Fair enough. My observation was Thornberry's failure to answer a direct question asked multiple times. Depressingly like the current administration IMHO

Glad we share an opinion on the woman herself anyway

Yep, fair point. I concede I haven’t seen the interview...my point is, I don’t think any foreign government has actually got a grip on that particular situation in the last seventy years so it’s a bit tough to judge them over that as regards their suitability for government.

[ramAnag]

Very careless losing two majorities of around 43k between them on the same evening! Still, that’s what happens when you have MP’s that are ‘careless’ about, in one case, their behaviour and, in the other, actually doing their job.

[Andy_Faber]

Very careless losing two majorities of around 43k between them on the same evening! Still, that’s what happens when you have MP’s that are ‘careless’ about, in one case, their behaviour and, in the other, actually doing their job.

A bit careless although a combination of protest vote and Tory reluctance to vote in mid term stuff anyway may see a reversal here (though less likely in the election). What it does seem to point to is (to paraphrase a friend) the lib dems being the video 2000 of UK politics (maybe Onthemarket would be a more current analogy)

[ramAnag]

Hmmm...not sure the Lib Dems are the story here, AF. The swing is enormous although the majority is now slim so both seats may be vulnerable at the next GE. For me though, the real story is that of a largely Tory inclined electorate recognising two morally bankrupt candidates as being accurately representative of a Party who, since 2019 at least, have proved as incompetent as they are devoid of decency.