Careless Tories!

[Andy_Faber]

What I have heard is that the Met is currently scouring video of both sides, looking at placards. Where the placard breaks the Law they intend to use the video to trace the perp and make an arrest, They are doing the same with regard to chants, if it breaks the Law try to trace the perp and make an arrest. That seems a reasonable thing to me.

If applied even handedly through to bringing to justice, excellent. ‘Even handedly’ is the key

[ramAnag]

If applied even handedly through to bringing to justice, excellent. ‘Even handedly’ is the key

You may or may not agree with the pro Palestinian marchers on Saturday, AF...but you surely don’t believe that they set out with the same intentions as Robinson’s mob of assorted right wing bully boys and bored football hooligans.

Personally I deplore the actions of Hamas on 7th October, but I find it very difficult to differentiate between the ‘terrorism’ they employed on that sad day and the actions of Israel ever since.
The vast majority of the marchers last weekend were demonstrating their support for a cease fire. I’m sure there were some anti Israeli sentiments expressed too, which just serves to illustrate how complex the job of policing such events and appearing ‘even handed’ must be. A job only made even harder by the interference of Braverman.

[Andy_Faber]

You may or may not agree with the pro Palestinian marchers on Saturday, AF...but you surely don’t believe that they set out with the same intentions as Robinson’s mob of assorted right wing bully boys and bored football hooligans.

Au contraire, at the worst of ‘Robinson’s mob’ were there for a punch up, at worst of the ‘opposition’ were calling for a holy war/expunging of a UN state/genocide. MA is right, if the police are even handed, time and the courts will actually tell

[ramAnag]

Au contraire, at the worst of ‘Robinson’s mob’ were there for a punch up, at worst of the ‘opposition’ were calling for a holy war/expunging of a UN state/genocide. MA is right, if the police are even handed, time and the courts will actually tell

Let’s be right, Andy. There were HUNDREDS (possibly small thousands) of Robinson’s mob hell bent on causing violent disruption. There were HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (possibly up to half a million) of Pro Palestinian/Anti War protestors. Can you imagine what would have happened if the latter group had behaved in the same way as the former?
I’ll agree with you that some - a minority - hold very questionable anti Semitic views but beyond that we may have to agree to differ.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It must have been tricky for a far right bunch of thugs to figure out whether they would rather adopt their traditional anti Semitic views or their newly embraced islamophobia. Who to hit first, that is thexquestion?

[MadAmster]

I'm agin both but with both in a Schrodinger's cat kind of way.

Following the holocaust, the creation of a safe haven for Jews in the form of an independent Israel on their ancient homeland was a good idea. Removing however many 100K Palestinians from their homes was a bad idea. The Palestinians should not have been driven out of their homes. International Law says so as do more than 100 UN resolutions. Israel ignores that.

The Arab world's determination to eradicate Israel was wrong and Israel's right to self defence was right.

Israel's continued annexation of land/homes belonging to Palestinians is wrong and is a major factor in the existence of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah are against the continued growth of Israel and I agree with them. I disagree with how they choose to do it.

Israel is wrong to arm the "settlers"/"colonists" who steal Palestinian homes and land. The settlers are wrong to indiscriminately kill Palestinians in order to steal their home/land.

Hamas and Hezbollah are wrong in the terroristic attacks they make. Israel is equally wrong in its quest, and one can only think it's policy, to annex more and more land/homes. It's wrong and it's illegal.

If Israel stops the annexing and returns the stolen lands, with any luck, Hamas and Hezbollah can be persuaded to disband, or at least, stop the terrorism.

Israel needs to realise that it can't keep on expanding.

I'm not anti Jew. I am anti Zionist politics. I agree with Hamas that Palestinian land should not be stolen but disagree with their terrorism.

Then there's the part that Iran plays in this and possibly also Saudi Arabia.

Being anti-zionist is not being anti-semitic. Being for a halt to the violence and the return of land to the Palestinians is not being pro-Hamas. IMO, it's being human.

Some might think this simplistic thinking. I think it's right thinking. There are faults on both sides. Both sides need to own up to their faults and eradicate those faults rather than keep on their current path of wanting to eradicate each other.

Peace, out.

[ramAnag]

I'm agin both but with both in a Schrodinger's cat kind of way.

Following the holocaust, the creation of a safe haven for Jews in the form of an independent Israel on their ancient homeland was a good idea. Removing however many 100K Palestinians from their homes was a bad idea. The Palestinians should not have been driven out of their homes. International Law says so as do more than 100 UN resolutions. Israel ignores that.

The Arab world's determination to eradicate Israel was wrong and Israel's right to self defence was right.

Israel's continued annexation of land/homes belonging to Palestinians is wrong and is a major factor in the existence of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah are against the continued growth of Israel and I agree with them. I disagree with how they choose to do it.

Israel is wrong to arm the "settlers"/"colonists" who steal Palestinian homes and land. The settlers are wrong to indiscriminately kill Palestinians in order to steal their home/land.

Hamas and Hezbollah are wrong in the terroristic attacks they make. Israel is equally wrong in its quest, and one can only think it's policy, to annex more and more land/homes. It's wrong and it's illegal.

If Israel stops the annexing and returns the stolen lands, with any luck, Hamas and Hezbollah can be persuaded to disband, or at least, stop the terrorism.

Israel needs to realise that it can't keep on expanding.

I'm not anti Jew. I am anti Zionist politics. I agree with Hamas that Palestinian land should not be stolen but disagree with their terrorism.

Then there's the part that Iran plays in this and possibly also Saudi Arabia.

Being anti-zionist is not being anti-semitic. Being for a halt to the violence and the return of land to the Palestinians is not being pro-Hamas. IMO, it's being human.

Some might think this simplistic thinking. I think it's right thinking. There are faults on both sides. Both sides need to own up to their faults and eradicate those faults rather than keep on their current path of wanting to eradicate each other.

Peace, out.

Don’t know about Schrödinger’s cat but...in the days when we had a ‘like button’...this would have earned a ‘like’. Complete common sense and decency and not remotely ‘simplistic’ imo.

[swaledale]

So today comprehensive ruling that the much trumpeted Rawanda scheme, on which £140 million has already been spent, is illegal and not just international law, but also UK law, so dismissing the thinking that leaving the ECHR would be a resolution.

The fact is the Tories knew this from the start, its all been a distraction, aimed at looking to be doing something even though Ministers and others knew from the start it was not going to happen.

Now Sunak talks *******s about emergency legislation and a treaty with Rawanda, in full knowledge that none of this will happen before the next election - on the other hand, having an agreement with Franc eon processing claims in Calais and a returns agreement for those that could have claimed asylum in another country would stop the boast overnight!

meanwhile that thicko turn coat Anderson makes statements about ignoring the law, potentially something an MP, sworn to uphold it, could be arrested for, yet he hasn't been sacked from Government for such a obviously inflammatory and disgraceful statement.

In other news, the Government claims to ahve halved inflation, despite the fact that actually its you buggers with higher mortgages due to the BOE interest rate rises and the fall in oil prices that has actually been the reason.

These days, when this Government actually says something that's true I'm surprised, the lies and disassembling is just gob smacking.

[Andy_Faber]

There are faults on both sides. Both sides need to own up to their faults and eradicate those faults rather than keep on their current path of wanting to eradicate each other.

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Wouldn't that be great...

I got into a rare conversation with my daughter on this subject on Sunday and she gave me a view into the Tik Tok world. It seems that most tiktokers that have a view are horrendously ill-informed on the subject including being unaware of The Holocaust, the creation of Israel, and even that Jews and Christians are not the same

[ramAnag]

Wouldn't that be great...

I got into a rare conversation with my daughter on this subject on Sunday and she gave me a view into the Tik Tok world. It seems that most tiktokers that have a view are horrendously ill-informed on the subject including being unaware of The Holocaust, the creation of Israel, and even that Jews and Christians are not the same

I am equally ignorant of the ‘Tik Tok world’. What do you regard as the Tik Tok demographic?