OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

B2C - I highlighted how it affects the small seller yesterday and you are right GP

Costa del Crime - I'm not sure of the precise regs in Spain but they aren't dissimilar to those here in NL or other EU countries. Namely, UK expats were given regular notice over the past 4 years of negotiating as to what they needed to do to be able to remain a resident in their chosen EU home. That gave them the chance to apply for resident status, which doesn't require the need to apply for citizenship and the possible giving up of their British nationality. Those with resident status in, for instance, Spain, can come and go between the UK and Spain as often as they like. That freedom doesn't extend to other EU countries though. On other EU countries they would still be subject to the 90 day rule.

MA pretty much nails it there for espania, Mrs F and I had fair warning and progressed through stage 1 (the stage before 'residencia') and were going to go for residencia which offered the benefits described by MA until we decided to sell up. Any of the stages also avoid the need for an EHIC or equivalent (Mrs F's mum broke a hip in Mallorca and the treatment was top-notch with no expat-related forms to fill). Going back to the rA point about travel, yes there will be some buggeration, but we'll soon learn to 'suck it up buttercup'

[Ram59]

The EU are treading on some very dangerous grounds with their threats against the pharmaceutical companies, to cover for their bureaucratical inadequacies. Their actions could lead to big international companies either pulling out of or not choosing to have production plants in the EU.

This is a perfect example of what us Brexiteers wish to get away from. A sloth like bureaucratic mess and when things go wrong, they come in heavy handed over everyone. It's simple too big and too diverse an organisation to work properly.

[swaledale]

The EU are treading on some very dangerous grounds with their threats against the pharmaceutical companies, to cover for their bureaucratical inadequacies. Their actions could lead to big international companies either pulling out of or not choosing to have production plants in the EU.

This is a perfect example of what us Brexiteers wish to get away from. A sloth like bureaucratic mess and when things go wrong, they come in heavy handed over everyone. It's simple too big and too diverse an organisation to work properly.

Except what we are seeing is politicians doing what politicians everywhere do, ours especially, which is a lot of hot air, designed to distract from the fact that they are unable to deliver their promises. So its not peculiar to the EU, I mean its something Farage tends to do almost everyday, waffle a lot of hot air about something that when one delves beneath the detail isn't actually true.

If we get away from the ill informed and incorrect Brexit side issue, the cold facts are this. The delay to the Eu in delivering the vaccine isn't going to make much difference, it will still be mid summer at the earliest before vaccination is going to impact generally on lives.

The Uk isn't going to benefit in the medium term by non cooperation, before life in the UK returns to something like normal, all of the EU and a great proportion of the rest of the world are going to have to have the vaccination as reinfection and more importantly new mutants will keep coming in from outside.

So if the world is going to defeat this virus, it needs to work cooperatively in order to ensure very country gets the vaccine.

[ramAnag]

Except what we are seeing is politicians doing what politicians everywhere do, ours especially, which is a lot of hot air, designed to distract from the fact that they are unable to deliver their promises. So its not peculiar to the EU, I mean its something Farage tends to do almost everyday, waffle a lot of hot air about something that when one delves beneath the detail isn't actually true.

If we get away from the ill informed and incorrect Brexit side issue, the cold facts are this. The delay to the Eu in delivering the vaccine isn't going to make much difference, it will still be mid summer at the earliest before vaccination is going to impact generally on lives.

The Uk isn't going to benefit in the medium term by non cooperation, before life in the UK returns to something like normal, all of the EU and a great proportion of the rest of the world are going to have to have the vaccination as reinfection and more importantly new mutants will keep coming in from outside.

So if the world is going to defeat this virus, it needs to work cooperatively in order to ensure very country gets the vaccine.

Couldn’t agree more with every word of that. Well put.

[Trickytreesreds]

Except it isn't all equal is it?
The EU preaches the unity of the 27, yet the vaccination figures alone( even llowing for the EU **** up), shows seniority being applied with Germany/France/Italy/Spain

The smaller ones don't seem to be getting a good deal out of this unified stance.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/28/...eading-the-way

[Ram59]

Except what we are seeing is politicians doing what politicians everywhere do, ours especially, which is a lot of hot air, designed to distract from the fact that they are unable to deliver their promises. So its not peculiar to the EU, I mean its something Farage tends to do almost everyday, waffle a lot of hot air about something that when one delves beneath the detail isn't actually true.

If we get away from the ill informed and incorrect Brexit side issue, the cold facts are this. The delay to the Eu in delivering the vaccine isn't going to make much difference, it will still be mid summer at the earliest before vaccination is going to impact generally on lives.

The Uk isn't going to benefit in the medium term by non cooperation, before life in the UK returns to something like normal, all of the EU and a great proportion of the rest of the world are going to have to have the vaccination as reinfection and more importantly new mutants will keep coming in from outside.

So if the world is going to defeat this virus, it needs to work cooperatively in order to ensure very country gets the vaccine.

Back to being wrong Swale, including your tailgunner. Do the math, 99% of UK deaths are in the groups to be vaccinated by the end of March, with 80% of the deaths in those vaccinated before the middle of February. 3 weeks after these dates, those vaccinated will have enough protection to prevent hospitalisation which is usually a couple of weeks after infection. From these simple facts 80% potential hospital admissions will not happen towards the end of March, increasing to 99% early May.

This will have a significant impact on our current position and it will be well before your middle of summer. Covid in other countries will have some effect on life in this country, but will not prevent the UK from relaxing the current severe lockdown restrictions, which is what is affecting a majority of the population.

Covid is not going to go away anytime soon, globally. The UK and similar countries will sort out their own populations before extending help to other less well off countries and this will take a varying amount of time. The EU are unlikely to be in this position for some time because of their own mess.

Your usual blind defence of everything EU is embarrassing, they have messed up big time and are trying to bully there way out of it. I imagine that your idea of the UK co-operating with them, is that the UK sacrifice the lives of some its citizens, in favour of saving those in the EU. The UK, once these various vaccines are supplied in excess of our requirements will be the world leaders in distributing millions of doses to the developing world, far more than the whole of your precious EU will do this year.

Just you were wrong stating that the Oxford vaccine wasn't made in the UK, just like you were wrong with your claim that Germany were getting 30 million doses parallel with the EU order.

[Andy_Faber]

Except what we are seeing is politicians doing what politicians everywhere do, ours especially, which is a lot of hot air, designed to distract from the fact that they are unable to deliver their promises. So its not peculiar to the EU, I mean its something Farage tends to do almost everyday, waffle a lot of hot air about something that when one delves beneath the detail isn't actually true.

If we get away from the ill informed and incorrect Brexit side issue, the cold facts are this. The delay to the Eu in delivering the vaccine isn't going to make much difference, it will still be mid summer at the earliest before vaccination is going to impact generally on lives.

The Uk isn't going to benefit in the medium term by non cooperation, before life in the UK returns to something like normal, all of the EU and a great proportion of the rest of the world are going to have to have the vaccination as reinfection and more importantly new mutants will keep coming in from outside.

So if the world is going to defeat this virus, it needs to work cooperatively in order to ensure very country gets the vaccine.

Talking EU-tinted rubbish AGAIN Swale, I can't even be bothered to go into detail

[Ram59]

Now the EU has invoked article 16 in the Brexit agreement which gives NI access to the EU, to prevent NI gaining access to EU produced vaccines, not that we should need them. So they've basically put the border back between the north and the south, I wonder what our friend Biden is making of this?

So Swale thinks that we should co-operate with these evil people, what a joke.

[Trickytreesreds]

Now the EU has invoked article 16 in the Brexit agreement which gives NI access to the EU, to prevent NI gaining access to EU produced vaccines, not that we should need them. So they've basically put the border back between the north and the south, I wonder what our friend Biden is making of this?

So Swale thinks that we should co-operate with these evil people, what a joke.

The Oxford vccine seems to be in demand over there, even though Macron has now jumped on the project fear band wagon slaughtering it, saying that it doesn't work? The German press claimed it was only 8% effective?
Maybe it's the fact that the Oxford vaccine only costs £3 a dose and it's not sold for profit.
Pfizer on the other hand is touted to be £28 a dose.
Maybe that's what's got them screaming, that we are hogging the non profit stuff.

First come, first served and all that.

The EU has introduced controls to prevent the export of COVID-19 vaccines from the bloc to Northern Ireland.

Brussels triggered Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol that forms part of the Brexit withdrawal deal.

The move comes amid a row with vaccine maker AstraZeneca over the supply of vaccine doses to the 27 members of the bloc.

The EU decision to activate Article 16 will frustrate any effort to use Northern Ireland as a back door to bring vaccines into the rest of the UK.

Under the terms of the protocol, goods should be able to move freely between the EU and Northern Ireland as the region remains in the single market for goods and still operates under EU customs rules.

[ramAnag]

Back to being wrong Swale, including your tailgunner.

Oh ffs...grow up, you’re better than that.

So I agree wholeheartedly with that particular post from Swale...so what? Is one not allowed to publicly agree with someone anymore?

By the same token would I refer to you as Tricky or Gunterry’s ‘tailgunner’? No...I’m a little more grown up than that.