The Independence Referendum

[lcfc57]

[quote="QOS_MAD_ADMIN"]I was a 'don't know' for a long time, I am now a Yes. There are a number of reasons for this, but the absolute disaster that has been the Better Together campaign, a cataclysmic mix of condescension, complacency, negativity and incompetence, has certainly contributed. Starting off with the suggestion that we could spend our £1400 post-'No vote' windfall on fish suppers for the entire family for 10 weeks straight (presumably washed down with Irn Bru and a deep fried Mars Bar if we were feeling especially flush), progressing through a series of endless warnings about what we could and couldn't do with our pound and our rapidly diminishing oil, followed by dire predictions of how we'd struggle to survive on our own, to the final coup de grace - that staggeringly patronising advert presumably designed to alienate and offend every Scots female capable of rational thought. Job done- if th

[BigIain]

I was initially a " no " and have been undecided for the last few months.

I have spent more time reading different sides to the argument than I have ever spent reading anything.

I said to myself that I would be interested to hear what David Cameron ( he is after all the leader of the United Kingdom )ultimately had to say about keeping the Union. Apart from a recent CBI meeting in Glasgow he has not done an awful lot, in my opinion, to save the Union. Leaving Alastair Darling to represent the " Better together " campaign has, quite frankly, been an embarrassment. The " no " campaign has been negativity after negativity after negativity.

David Cameron did appear in the Shetland Islands on the 22nd of July - spookily enough a few days before BP invested £4.5bn in the Clair Ridge Project which expects to extract 640,000,000 barrels of recoverable oil.

Oil is THE most important economic tool in the world and that is what Mr. Cameron wants.

Last week, on BBC2, Stirling Universities top

[awayteam]

Eugene: a wonderful exposition of the 'YES' case, clear, concise and erudite all at the same time.

Big Ian: absolutely on the money...literally!
The North Sea has allegedly only(?) 24 billion barrels left...well 90% of that belongs to an Indy Scotland (plus the 6000 sq. miles of Scottish sea bed stolen on the stroke of midnight by the LABOUR Blair Gov. in 1999) And as for the Clyde and the Atlantic Margin!...bigger than the North Sea first time round.

Any don't knows..particularly ex servicemen or those with connections to ideals of British 'greatness' go to Youtube and check out 'Veterans for Yes on Livestream'

These guys are real veterans and their testimonies of why, how, and when they understood just how used and abused they have been by the corrupt Westminster machine for OIL, will make you boil with rage at what Westminster is trying to pull on us with their 'NO' campaign of fear and smear!

[blazerman]

I have been stuck in between for some time but have now voted and after much thought can this country really be any worse off than it is at the moment.
As usual Eugene outstanding post.

[17Roundabouts]

Hat Tipped Eugene

[BellyTubby]

"I'm not taking any credit for this, I just saw someone's post on the Vote NO to Scottish independence and protect the union page and I thought it was genius!!"

"I always find that if you flip the debate around with a no or undecided voter it always has the desired result. Try this next time you speak with a no voter, ask them how they would vote in this situation...there can only be one outcome.
Imagine Scotland was already independent and we were about to have a referendum on whether to join a union with the rest of the UK.
Could the Pro-union side convince us that getting together would be better when we were told what would happen to Scotland after such a union? Some bullet points from the campaign…
-Your main Parliament will move 600 miles away, and your MPs will be in a tiny minority & will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf
-Scotland will get a government it didn’t vote for.
-All of your oil and gas revenues will be handed over to the treasury in Lon

[aloreburn]

An interesting debate on STV last night . There's still too many unanswered questions though . This could go either way

[BigIain]

An interesting debate on STV last night . There's still too many unanswered questions though . This could go either way

Yep - it's now at the stage where it's stay with what we have or take a leap of faith. Only once independent will some of the questions be answered.

[tube8]

An interesting debate on STV last night . There's still too many unanswered questions though . This could go either way

Yep - it's now at the stage where it's stay with what we have or take a leap of faith. Only once independent will some of the questions be answered.[/quote]


I would agree that I don’t think we’re going to hear anything new now from either side.

So for me it’s a question of trust.

Who do you trust more?

A] Westminster

Or

B] The Yes campaign

[Dariusz]

In my opinion there are not enough people in the media talking about the looming economic catastrophe awaiting the UK. In fact if Alex Salmond was to focus on it I think he'd be onto a winner, but then of course he would be accused of scaremongering. But the facts are the facts.

There is one almighty crash just around the corner because of all the debt and money printing that has been going on in the Western World and the UK is one of the most heavily indebted countries in the world.

Scotland have a chance to escape this debt and leave the sinking ship. To me this vote is now a no brainer.

To those that think things are getting better because of all the cuts...
In 2008 when the first crash happened the UK was in about £800 Billion of National debt. In 2014 that now stands at around £1.3-1.4 TRILLION!!! You read the headlines in the mainstream media that the economy is growing but it is being falsely propped up on a mountain of DEBT. When the next crash happens there will be no