Jotters. Now!

[GingerPetric]

Our right back situation sums it up. 40 Grand on Toshney, and Two midfielders, signed as midfielders, then re-signed in the summer when they should have been moved on, and missing out on the opportunity to bring in one decent right back.

Sums it up pretty well....depressing as f uck

[LSArab]

I genuinely don't know what McKinnon's plan was when he built the squad in the summer. Last season we had no width or pace in midfield and height up top until he brought in Mickelson in the Jan window, but i gave him benefit of doubt because it was a big ask to turn around that squad in a few transfer windows.

But this season, he has built a team full of midgets, and wants us to play a passing style, with no plan B, so when we cant impose our game against the likes of St Mirren or Livi yesterday, there is no alternative. If you want to play out from the back then sign the players to play that game, get full backs who can bomb forward and take the ball out. Our right back situation sums it up. 40 Grand on Toshney, and Two midfielders, signed as midfielders, then re-signed in the summer when they should have been moved on, and missing out on the opportunity to bring in one decent right back. Scobbie is ok cover at centre half but lacks pace to get forward from left back. Quinn is fine as cover for right footed centre half position but woeful playing on the left when he can only use his right foot. Edge and Durnan I think are fine in this league, esp if we had outlets at full back.

Any team that scouts us can see if you keep your shape then we will try and pass it through you, which is extremley hard through two banks of 4, and to press us all over the park and high up the park esp where our defenders arent good enough on the ball and force us to hump it, but it just comes back because we have no height to make it stick up front. We are relying on scoring our goals by passing through the opposition, what are the chances of our team esp in this league maintaining possesion for 7-8 passes (and dont mean across the back) and making a chance? Direct doesnt have to be punting it (attacking full backs for example can take a team 60 yards up the pitch), but when we move it about it just allows the opposition to get two banks of four behind the ball. It aint rocket science.

The biggest criteria for our signings seem to have been they were available and known because they were local.

Hooking King after 25 mins and putting Keetings wide and Nkoyi up front would have been a proper tactical change, Stanton for injured Briels (who must give away 6-7 needless fouls a match) is not changing the shape/tactics of the team.

Excellent analysis.

So should we be playing a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 with the wing backs bombing on.

Sounds a much more exciting promise then the Largs 4-2-3-1!

Things have got to change

[darrenshedtastic]

tbf we havent played 4231 in recent games. (since falkirk game) maybe changed players at some points to make it a 4231 but yesterday we were woeful with 442 then second half we played 4231 with keatings out on the left and although we werent great we were slightly better than the 1st half showing!

[shedka]

Morton and Dunfermline were acceptable as was QotS, certainly in this division

Brechin was awful but 3 pts so not too fussed, Dumbarton was awful, self inflicted with early comedy gift of a goal, unacceptable performance and dropped pts, St Mirren unacceptable

Performances or style aren't that big a deal, not in this division, we need to be harder to beat away from home (we evidently are at Tannadice with one defeat in 35), like Hibs last season (albeit they had a huge budget for this division and continuity for three years), they were brutal to watch by all accounts and drew almost half their games, doesn't matter they got promotion

[deebuster]

We wont get promoted as things stand

[GingerPetric]

Good point made regarding the next three games then a wee break. Make or break time for Ray.

We need to be knocking out decent results and performances but is it likely?

4 or less points from 9 and he's got to go.

two games at home should take care of themselves, especially St Mirren as that will be our "big" home game this season.

Ray and the players need to show some Troy Deeney style cojones and get some results, and performances that make the fans see some heart and desire.

[RazzP83]

The problem with Mckinnon is and always has been is we are murder to watch. Take away McMullan start of season (seems to have nose dived dramatically) and Andreu at times, we are deplorable to watch. When winning fans can condone it, but losing and playing like that at the level we are now at is unacceptable.

Inherited many problems but effectively has been a failure.

Relegated us (Excuses I know but he will be known as manager in charge when we were relegated)
Finished 3rd in 2nd tier (Hibs expected to win league but no way should be 3rd)
Failed in play offs (Think we played well for 2 halves of the 6 games).
Now we look like wilting this season in a league with a rotten Falkirk & ICT not even challenging.

He has also been backed to the hilt from baldy IMO when it comes to transfers. Thompson a cretin but cannot say he hasn't backed him.McKinnon needs to go, been saying it for about a year now.

[Tannadicebunnet]

The problem with Mckinnon is and always has been is we are murder to watch. Take away McMullan start of season (seems to have nose dived dramatically) and Andreu at times, we are deplorable to watch. When winning fans can condone it, but losing and playing like that at the level we are now at is unacceptable.

Inherited many problems but effectively has been a failure.

Relegated us (Excuses I know but he will be known as manager in charge when we were relegated)
Finished 3rd in 2nd tier (Hibs expected to win league but no way should be 3rd)
Failed in play offs (Think we played well for 2 halves of the 6 games).
Now we look like wilting this season in a league with a rotten Falkirk & ICT not even challenging.

He has also been backed to the hilt from baldy IMO when it comes to transfers. Thompson a cretin but cannot say he hasn't backed him.McKinnon needs to go, been saying it for about a year now.

Absolutely bang on with your assessment Razzp83. Thompson hasn't been the problem this season , this is all down to McKinnon. Flood, Murdoch , N'koyi and King are stealing a wage. Durnan and Edgenguele been dire, Robson hasn't improved a bit under McKinnon. Fyvie inconsistent.

Truth of the matter has there been even one player that has improved under McKinnon - the answer is no. Players are in decline under his leadership

[RAM1971]

Bad as things are under Ray's leadership, I really dread his departure if ST is still in charge. I have absolutely no confidence that a ST replacement would give us one ounce of improvement.

[tHeArAb]

Bad as things are under Ray's leadership, I really dread his departure if ST is still in charge. I have absolutely no confidence that a ST replacement would give us one ounce of improvement.

It wouldn't and that is the problem with getting rid of ANOTHER manager under Thompson's reign. He'll go for another cheap up n coming option who doesn't have what it takes to rip our club apart and start again from bottom up like Levein did.