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Thread: O/T EU Leaders are UNELECTED and UNACCOUNTABLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Good questions. I'd be interested to hear your evidence MillerBill?
    Reuters News service reported in 2016 that 888 million euros were given out to fraudulent claimants in 2015.In the previous year it was 901 million. Reuters is a well respected news service.Probably not reported in the Guardian.Regarding the audited accounts pre 2007,they recorded significant errors in how money was paid.I repeat, how can anyone consider wanting to defend an organisation that allows such dreadful unemployment figures for the under 25s within the EU.

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    Foreign labour is cheaper for business, the EU is run for them not for young people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillerBill View Post
    Reuters News service reported in 2016 that 888 million euros were given out to fraudulent claimants in 2015.In the previous year it was 901 million. Reuters is a well respected news service.Probably not reported in the Guardian.Regarding the audited accounts pre 2007,they recorded significant errors in how money was paid.I repeat, how can anyone consider wanting to defend an organisation that allows such dreadful unemployment figures for the under 25s within the EU.
    Arent these frauds (scams) played out against the EU rather than the EU acting fraudulently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    "Socialists" siding with the big international banks and corporations and the neo-liberal EU against the people, in effect siding with the bourgeoisie against the proletariat, I don't know what is going through their minds or how they can call themselves socialists really, it's quite bizarre.
    Are you saying that you are against the neo liberal organisations, the big international banks etc? Are you claiming to be of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    "Socialists" siding with the big international banks and corporations and the neo-liberal EU against the people, in effect siding with the bourgeoisie against the proletariat, I don't know what is going through their minds or how they can call themselves socialists really, it's quite bizarre.
    All a bit weird isn’t it.

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    Oh and “In 2016 we paid in 13.1 billion pounds,they gave us back 4.5 billion on projects "they agreed to" let us do in this country and kept 8.6 billion for themselves.” I think the terminology and conclusions are wrong here. Do you really think, despite what many people’s opinions of rubbish politicians are, that over decades we would have been making a genuine loss of 8.5 billion a year while claiming that membership is a good idea?

    No, because the payments are an investment to cheap market and trade access and to power from joining with other countries to make a bloc that can compete with the larger single countries of US, India etc. Saying that ‘we only get 4.5 billion back’ is like saying ‘I bought this upgraded, more efficient widget maker for my factory and it hasn’t printed any bank notes for me yet, how rubbish!’ when of course as an investment that leads more indirectly to more profit is what you biught it for.

    I’m sure you could legitimately quibble about the figures and finding out exactly how much the investment of membership leads to really brings in would be difficult, but it’s not just about the direct projects that go into Wales etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Are you saying that you are against the neo liberal organisations, the big international banks etc? Are you claiming to be of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie?
    Just thinking it's odd how socialists have gone from years of bashing the banks to actually being on the same side.

    And equally bizarre, marching for billionaire currency speculator George Soros' "People's Vote".

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm_gm View Post
    All a bit weird isn’t it.
    Are you joining forces in the fight against the establishment alongside comrades Johnson and Mogg then gm?

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    Most MPs are just happy to rubber-stamp legislation from Brussels, it's a lot less work, at least those two are willing to work for their salary.

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    Johnson would have no interest in getting involved of the detail of legislation, the stuff that really matters. That’s been very well reported.

    Almost all the work is done by civil servants anyway, and a lot of time is spent by industry associations advising them on the details and likely impact. MPs often only get involved at the very top level.

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