Injustice and B T

[Balanbam00]

These so called Palestinoans ,were Jordanians ,and Jordan captured the West bank ,( Judea & Shomron) illegally!!!

When the 1947 UN partition of the Mandate of Palestine recommended the region be split between an Arab and a Jewish state, the territory currently known as the West Bank fell under the proposed Palestinian-Arab territory.

Following the UN declaration and the establishment of the Israeli state, fighting and civil war broke out between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs, backed by the surrounding Arab states, over control of the land.

As Palestinian efforts were unsuccessful, hopes for a nation-state faded and the future of the territories was in doubt. Neighboring countries retained their own claims over their territories bordering Israel and as such, the Jordanian-Israeli armistice of 1949 carved the boundaries for what today is known as the West Bank.

In 1950, the territory was formally annexed by Jordan and divided at the Jordan River, with the Jordanian population on its east bank and the Palestinian population on the west.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Let's stop bickering Balan. For whatever reason, the US decided post second World War to fund Israel as some sort of buffer zone in the Middle East.

I understand about 3 billion dollars per day heads out to Israel from the US?

Every major geopolitical decision involves winners and losers.

The Palestinians are losing big time.

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Just to prove the point...

"Trump has at last revealed his administration’s vision for peace in the Middle East, a 181-page document that delivers many of Israel’s historic demands without any support from the Palestinians, to whom it offers a limited state with borders significantly diminished from those offered in the 1993 Oslo peace agreement. The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was in Washington to see the plan unveiled, and described Trump as “the greatest friend that Israel has ever had in the White House”.
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[Balanbam00]

Oh BT, I have written before about this !

Strategic Reasons for Continuing U.S. Support

Israel has successfully prevented victories by radical nationalist movements in Lebanon and Jordan, as well as in Palestine.
Israel has kept Syria, for many years an ally of the Soviet Union, in check.
Israel’s air force is predominant throughout the region.
Israel’s frequent wars have provided battlefield testing for American arms, often against Soviet weapons.
It has served as a conduit for U.S. arms to regimes and movements too unpopular in the United States for openly granting direct military assistance, such as apartheid South Africa, the Islamic Republic in Iran, the military junta in Guatemala, and the Nicaraguan Contras. Israeli military advisers have assisted the Contras, the Salvadoran junta, and foreign occupation forces in Namibia and Western Sahara.
Israel’s intelligence service has assisted the U.S. in intelligence gathering and covert operations.
Israel has missiles capable of reaching as far as the former Soviet Union, it possesses a nuclear arsenal of hundreds of weapons, and it has cooperated with the U.S. military-industrial complex with research and development for new jet fighters and anti-missile defense systems.


US aid to Israel: Reinvested in America
While it appears overtly generous, the $3.8 billion in annual military aid budget always had significant strings attached. In reality most of the money stays in America. Previously some 75% of the budget had to be spent in the US where it supports defense industries and helps generate economic growth and jobs in America.
Most of Israel’s major weapons systems – especially those that power Israel’s air force including the new F-35 stealth fighters – are made in America. Israel benefits from leading edge American technology, but the jobs producing those weapons are American.
As well, the American military gains a huge benefit from the IDF using, testing and improving the weapons systems. Prime examples are the U.S. military’s purchase of the successful Iron Dome anti-missile system and the Trophy defense system – an Israeli-developed missile defense system to protect tanks and armored personnel carriers.

[Balanbam00]

Following the Lebanon conflict, the IDF introduced the Merkava IVM Windbreaker variant possessing a strong missile-defense capability in its Trophy Active Protection System, which can detect incoming missiles using a radar and attempts to shoot them down with a shotgun blast. The system also notifies the tanks crew of the location that the projectile came from, allowing them to fire back quickly.

Not a single Merkava tank was lost in combat operations in 2008 and 2014—despite the war in 2014 being a costly one for the Israeli Defense Forces.


Leonardo DRS, Inc. and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. of Israel (Rafael) announced today that the partners have delivered on time the first Trophy Active Protection Systems (APS) to defend the Army’s Abrams main battle tanks against a variety of anti-armor threats. This delivery marks the first of several that will ultimately outfit four brigades of tanks.

“Our partnership between Leonardo DRS and Rafael has worked tirelessly to bring this battle-proven technology to the U.S. military while improving the system to meet the stringent needs and requirements from the customer.”

Developed by Rafael in response to the ongoing proliferation of anti-armor threats, Trophy provides mature, combat-proven protection against rocket and missile threats, while at the same time locating and reporting the origin of the hostile fire for immediate response.

[Balanbam00]

BT: If Israel fell,was destroyed ,which it won't be. Muslims would rule from Morocco To India. They would control the Suez canal,and the Red sea. So where does that leave Britain?

[Balanbam00]

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, UAE welcome Trump peace plan

"The kingdom appreciates the efforts of President Trump's administration to develop a comprehensive peace plan between the Palestinian and the Israeli sides, and encourages the start of direct peace negotiations between the Palestinian and Israeli sides, under the auspices of the United States," the statement reads. It also called to resolve any disagreements with aspects of the plan through negotiations, "to move forward the peace process to reach an agreement that achieves legitimate rights of the Palestinian people."

"The kingdom appreciates the efforts of President Trump's administration to develop a comprehensive peace plan between the Palestinian and the Israeli sides, and encourages the start of direct peace negotiations between the Palestinian and Israeli sides, under the auspices of the United States," the statement reads. It also called to resolve any disagreements with aspects of the plan through negotiations, "to move forward the peace process to reach an agreement that achieves legitimate rights of the Palestinian people."

The Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a similar statement, calling the sides to consider the plan to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"The Arab Republic of Egypt appreciates the continuous efforts exerted by the US administration to achieve a comprehensive and just settlement of the Palestinian issue, thereby contributing to the stability and security of the Middle East, ending the Palestinian-Israeli conflict," the ministry said Tuesday.
"Egypt recognizes the importance of considering the US administration's initiative from the perspective of the importance of achieving the resolution of the Palestinian issue, thus restoring to the Palestinian people their full legitimate rights through the establishment of a sovereign independent state in the Palestinian occupied territories in accordance with international legitimacy and resolutions," the statement reads.

[Balanbam00]

Qatar also called on the sides to hold direct negotiations. However, unlike Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the Qatari statement also calls for a Palestinian state "within the 1967 borders, including East Jerusalem," as well as the right of return.

Turkey's Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a statement saying that, "the so-called US peace plan is stillborn. This is an annexation plan aiming to destroy the two-state solution and seize the Palestinian territories. The people and the land of Palestine cannot be bought off."

"Jerusalem is our redline," the statement reads. "We will not allow any step seeking to legitimize Israel's occupation and atrocities. We will always stand by the brotherly Palestinian people and will continue to work for an independent Palestine on Palestinian land.

"We will not support any plan that does not have the support of Palestine," the ministry added. "There will not be any peace in the Middle East without ending Israel's occupation policies."

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Hard to conceive this is even possible...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pales...Rwqj5guEhdfVh8

[Balanbam00]

BT : I have told you check things before you post them . You present 4 maps of supposedly loss of land for the Palestinians.

The problem with these maps and an explanation is, that no state of “Palestine” existed in 1946 – or ever.

The green area is simply a rendering of the territory not under Israeli sovereignty. It does NOT demarcate land possessed by Arabs or by the mythical state of Palestine. In fact, the vast majority of the land (over 90 percent) had no legally recognized owner after the dissolution of the Ottoman empire in the wake of World War I. The disposition of the green areas remains to this day undetermined because the Arabs rejected the United Nations partition resolution in 1947 and because the Palestinians continue to reject any final agreement with Israel.

The “1946” panel ignores the fact that the territory in question in fact wasn’t Palestinian-controlled in 1946, but was under British Mandatory rule until May 1948.

The second map signifies . . . well, nothing at all, since the U.N’s proposed 1947 partition never took effect (because Palestinian leadership rejected it).

The “1949-1967” panel, which shows the “armistice lines” from Israel’s War of Independence that persisted until Israel’s victory in the 1967’s Six Days War, neglects to mention that the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were administered not by Palestinians but by Egypt and Jordan, respectively. And while the “Present” map rightly shows Palestinians in control of territory, the division of authority in the wake of the 1995 Oslo II accords and Israel’s “disengagement” is so complex as to make this map useless.

Taken together, what we have is not four maps in a chronological series, but four different categories of territorial control presented with varying degrees of inaccuracy. Those categories are private property (“1946”), political control (“1967” and “[Present]”), and international partition plans (“1947”). They are presented in a fashion that is either tendentiously inaccurate (“[Present]”), essentially mendacious (“1947” and “1967”), or radically untrue (“1946”).


This particular hoax is widespread. Harvard University’s Centre for Middle East Studies utilised and widely disseminated these maps in seminars it ran for secondary school teachers. The intent was to create a false history in which Israel had supplanted a pre-existing state of Palestine.

Correct Information: As far back as 1937, in 1947, in 1967, in 2000 at Camp David and in 2008, Palestinian leaders have consistently rejected proposals that would have created a Palestinian state. To this day, contrary to what is often reported, the “moderate” leadership of the Palestinians – Fatah – refuses to accept the legitimacy of the Jewish state.

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