O/T Nelson's statue defaced, when will this all stop?

[howdydoo]

Like the BBC is doing, filling jobs on diversity requirements rather than by talent.

I’m watching West Ham and have the joy of listening to Karen Carney co commentate on the match.

BT Sport have not recruited her on talent. Doing my box in. Talk about stating the bleeding obvious.

[avondalemiller]

...i think i know who you mean, the lady with a voice for rounding sheep up..lol. Certainly not for commentating on a football match....

[Shark27]

Grist
This is what you actually said "Like the BBC is doing, filling jobs on diversity requirements rather than by talent."
I've looked at your link and I can't find any reference to appointing someone even though they lack talent. Perhaps you could point me to the relevant section?

You keep knocking the BBC. So what would you replace it with? Facebook?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...8LQpJn&ampcf=1

Not sure whether this is true as it's in the Sun but they looked as though they were willing to overlook more talented individuals in their search to find their right match.

As I said it's in the Sun so it could have been b0llocks.

[WanChaiMiller]

Just out of interest WanChai, what are your views on illegal immigration? I stress the word illegal, so not a question of immigrant (legal) numbers or anything like that. How would you approach the issue, if indeed you see it as an issue? By the way that's a genuine, unloaded, question.

I totally get the question. Im no expert on illegal immigration. To be honest, I dont know much about numbers or effect.

I guess there are different levels. I assume you're not asking about those on working holidays or student who overstay their visa, or people trafficked by illegally by gangs into stuff like prostitution.*

I presume you mean the African guy traipsing across 2 continents to get to Britain. I saw a programme where some guys were waiting in Morocco trying to jump a boat to Gibraltar. They are sold the dream and given up their life savings to a trafficker to make the trip. Just young lads trying to make a go of life who found themselves in very difficult circumstances. These are not scroungers.

This type of stuff seems to happen to the worlds poorest. I dont think it helps when people like Farage use their billion dollar publicity machine to de-humanise them.

How do I feel?* Great sympathy. They certainly dont get 5 star treatment on arrival. Im pretty sure they could not come here and slot into a luxury lifestyle as some suggest (they couldnt get a proper job or house for starters).

However, they should be returned home but afforded some dignity in that process.

[Grumpy King of the West]

I totally get the question. Im no expert on illegal immigration. To be honest, I dont know much about numbers or effect.

I guess there are different levels. I assume you're not asking about those on working holidays or student who overstay their visa, or people trafficked by illegally by gangs into stuff like prostitution.*

I presume you mean the African guy traipsing across 2 continents to get to Britain. I saw a programme where some guys were waiting in Morocco trying to jump a boat to Gibraltar. They are sold the dream and given up their life savings to a trafficker to make the trip. Just young lads trying to make a go of life who found themselves in very difficult circumstances. These are not scroungers.

This type of stuff seems to happen to the worlds poorest. I dont think it helps when people like Farage use their billion dollar publicity machine to de-humanise them.

How do I feel?* Great sympathy. They certainly dont get 5 star treatment on arrival. Im pretty sure they could not come here and slot into a luxury lifestyle as some suggest (they couldnt get a proper job or house for starters).

However, they should be returned home but afforded some dignity in that process.

Thanks for the reply. You presumed wrong. I meant all/every type of illegal immigrant. Those over staying visas plus those crossing the channel on a launch or in the back of a lorry.

I personally feel great frustration. There is a perfectly legal way to enter the UK and apply for citizenship. The thing is the process (as it is for almost every country) is slow. Very slow (as it should be given it's meant to be a two way street, I.e. do you want to become a UK resident? Plus does the UK want you?) It's also expensive. Although interestingly not nearly as expensive as the option you suggested whereby the poor souls are selling everything to come here. Why not apply through the legal channel then? And be patient. Just as many thousands of others do.

The stats in the link below make interesting reading and serve to inform the debate:

Ps, genuine thanks for not falling into the age old trap of conflating illegal immigration with asylum seeking and/or net migration as a whole. People often get the issues entwined, whereas they are indeed three separate (but all important) debates to be had.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...e-from-the-uk/

[caytonmiller]

I totally get the question. Im no expert on illegal immigration. To be honest, I dont know much about numbers or effect.

I guess there are different levels. I assume you're not asking about those on working holidays or student who overstay their visa, or people trafficked by illegally by gangs into stuff like prostitution.*

I presume you mean the African guy traipsing across 2 continents to get to Britain. I saw a programme where some guys were waiting in Morocco trying to jump a boat to Gibraltar. They are sold the dream and given up their life savings to a trafficker to make the trip. Just young lads trying to make a go of life who found themselves in very difficult circumstances. These are not scroungers.

This type of stuff seems to happen to the worlds poorest. I dont think it helps when people like Farage use their billion dollar publicity machine to de-humanise them.

How do I feel?* Great sympathy. They certainly dont get 5 star treatment on arrival. Im pretty sure they could not come here and slot into a luxury lifestyle as some suggest (they couldnt get a proper job or house for starters).

However, they should be returned home but afforded some dignity in that process.

I guess it would be classed as 5 star treatment by the standards you discribed them fleeing from. Though by our STD!
There's plenty of problems in the world and very few people
(if any) have the answer

[Grumpy King of the West]

Ps, it's also important that people, me being one, are allowed to voice their concerns over illegal immigration without being called a racist or a bigot. Or indeed having such implied. That ship has sailed (pardon the pun).

Let the debate begin.....

[ragingpup]

Ps, it's also important that people, me being one, are allowed to voice their concerns over illegal immigration without being called a racist or a bigot. Or indeed having such implied. That ship has sailed (pardon the pun).

Let the debate begin.....

Hey Grumps,

In fairness there have been some good debates and points made on immigration on here from both sides of the argument. I've learned a few things from posters and made some adjustments to my stance. I've only seen a couple of racist comments tbf and very few also accusations of racism. Always good to remember the different types of immigration and I pretty much share your view on illegal immigration as opposed to asylum seekers. Although I think when you look at what I think I would call small numbers of illegal immigrants that actually make it into the country and the overall economic and social cost, I can't help but thinking that the problem, however unwelcome, gets far more attention than it deserves. But that's just my two penneth. Not sure I could add anything more - immigration gets raised time and time again on here and I'd welcome a footy message board without such repetition. But it is clearly a big concern for many.

I think that whilst the left can be guilty of shutting down genuine and well expressed concern with accusations of racism and "far right-ery", I think the same can be said for equally strong counter arguments that are too quickly dismissed as 'virtue signalling' and taking moral high grounds. I think most people involved with the debate on both sides have genuine concerns and in some cases express them very well on here. Shame so much of it becomes petty personal bickering.

[flourbasher]

If they're from Lancashire then deport them back to the rainy county.
Although Smudge commutes from there, as we know he's a geordie so he passes the test

[WanChaiMiller]

If they're from Lancashire then deport them back to the rainy county.
Although Smudge commutes from there, as we know he's a geordie so he passes the test

I dont know how they make it across from Lancashire. Loopholes in the system. Farage should get on to it.