Nicoliar calls

[BCram]

So very, very wrong and I'll show you why.

There are 44 countries that can be considered as European sovereign states. By this definition Scotland is not a sovereign state so is not included as one of the 44. However -

Scotland has a population of circa 5.5M and has suffered 7,660 total deaths. Quick calculation shows that Scotland is sitting on 1,392 Covid attributed (positive test within 28 days) deaths per million.

UK overall is 1,904 deaths per million and that is currently 11th highest in Europe.

Sweden is sitting at 1,369 deaths per million and is 19th highest in Europe. I'm sure you'll agree that compares very well with Scotland.

Scotland isn't considered separately from the UK as a whole however if it was it would be 19th highest in Europe and Sweden would be 20th.

I'm not saying Sturgeon has handled Covid any better or any worse than BoJo (both have made a right bubbling runt of it IMO) but what I will say is that you're miles off with your assertion that Scotland has one of the highest death rates in Europe - it's roughly middle and sitting just within the second quartile of death rates per million whilst the UK as a whole is performing much worse and is in the first quartile.

Thanks Deeranged. Had just been doing the maths for a Scotland Sweden comparison. I think Rross would make the point that Sweden has not dealt with covid the same way and has not suffered the same economic fall out. Perhaps there is a way to battle covid without lockdowns?

[Deeranged]

Thanks Deeranged. Had just been doing the maths for a Scotland Sweden comparison. I think Rross would make the point that Sweden has not dealt with covid the same way and has not suffered the same economic fall out. Perhaps there is a way to battle covid without lockdowns?

I think it shows that full lockdown has had little or no tangible effect on death rates. Sweden seems to have coped without it.

I think a certain Ray Of Sunshine has been banging that drum for a good while now. When he's right he's right I guess?

[Returnofrros]

Performing overall just better than Scotland in the death rate charts but are still reporting deaths whilst Scotland seems to have ground almost to a halt.

And we will be counting non diagnosed cancer deaths for next 5 years.

[Returnofrros]

Thanks Deeranged. Had just been doing the maths for a Scotland Sweden comparison. I think Rross would make the point that Sweden has not dealt with covid the same way and has not suffered the same economic fall out. Perhaps there is a way to battle covid without lockdowns?

Or the same amount of deaths or shortened lives in the long run.

Sweden put in place the UK plans for an epidemic and it's worked very well.

[Deeranged]

And we will be counting non diagnosed cancer deaths for next 5 years.

Vulnerable people will start getting other infections when they start mixing again so death rate will not drop in the short term. 'Protection' from Covid will have depleted population resistance (herd immunity) to things as mundane as the common cold.

[Deeranged]

Or the same amount of deaths or shortened lives in the long run.

Sweden put in place the UK plans for an epidemic and it's worked very well.

No need for a sensible, competent and effective policy when you can have a good old fashioned knee jerk.

[Returnofrros]

My simplistic summary.

3 week lockdown extended mainly cause Johnson got ILL and MSM hysteria.

Nicoliar has used pandemic for political purposes.

Freedom and liberty has been eroded greatly.

Social experiment.....I think yes though not 100% yet.

Will full lockdown happen again....I think probably yes, will restrictions be fully lifted .....no.

Every sage model, every single one.....wrong.

And unfortunately some people like living like this.

Economic damage, unemployment and inflation......horrific, high, will end up high.

All imho.

Anyway 2nd half.

[jdfc]

So very, very wrong and I'll show you why.

There are 44 countries that can be considered as European sovereign states. By this definition Scotland is not a sovereign state so is not included as one of the 44. However -

Scotland has a population of circa 5.5M and has suffered 7,660 total deaths. Quick calculation shows that Scotland is sitting on 1,392 Covid attributed (positive test within 28 days) deaths per million.

UK overall is 1,904 deaths per million and that is currently 11th highest in Europe.

Sweden is sitting at 1,369 deaths per million and is 19th highest in Europe. I'm sure you'll agree that compares very well with Scotland.

Scotland isn't considered separately from the UK as a whole however if it was it would be 19th highest in Europe and Sweden would be 20th.

I'm not saying Sturgeon has handled Covid any better or any worse than BoJo (both have made a right bubbling runt of it IMO) but what I will say is that you're miles off with your assertion that Scotland has one of the highest death rates in Europe - it's roughly middle and sitting just within the second quartile of death rates per million whilst the UK as a whole is performing much worse and is in the first quartile.

ETA - For the record, I didn't count Armenia as a European country as it's technically in Asia. If you count Armenia, 1,408 deaths per million, Scotland is 20th highest and Sweden 21st.

I suppose it all depends on whose facts we look at, out of 34 countries Scotland is in the top 10, but other sites may tell you otherwise

[Returnofrros]

No need for a sensible, competent and effective policy when you can have a good old fashioned knee jerk.

They plans had been in place since 2003, dropped and abandoned over the course of 2 days.🙄

[eric_sinclair]

My simplistic summary.

3 week lockdown extended mainly cause Johnson got ILL and MSM hysteria.

Nicoliar has used pandemic for political purposes.

Freedom and liberty has been eroded greatly.

Social experiment.....I think yes though not 100% yet.

Will full lockdown happen again....I think probably yes, will restrictions be fully lifted .....no.

Every sage model, every single one.....wrong.

And unfortunately some people like living like this.

Economic damage, unemployment and inflation......horrific, high, will end up high.

All imho.

Anyway 2nd half.

Assuming
1.Boris was ill? Juries oot for me.
2.He was ill but did rab call the shots? (this is the one I don't believe).
The main question was you predict future lockdown but who do you think is controlling this seeing as its global and not only UK.