Tuesday Tin-pot Trophy

[caytonmiller]

Yes I did. We had a mixture of experienced players and a handful of younger guys. But they are our first team players, we don't roll them out just to have a kick about with some older lads. They're first teamers.

Vs scinny we had hull, Bola, gratton durose, exton, wiles, Johanson, Edmonds green, oddofin all under 23. Don't you think it's a good run out for these players and a mix of first teamers will bring these players on. Where else will they get the experience?

[MillersTime]

Vs scinny we had hull, Bola, gratton durose, exton, wiles, Johanson, Edmonds green, oddofin all under 23. Don't you think it's a good run out for these players and a mix of first teamers will bring these players on. Where else will they get the experience?

Are they the same Exton, Durose and Gratton who didn't get on the pitch? Neither did Viktor, who is a first team regular. Edmunds Green is a first team regular also, same with Wiles, regardless of age. Hull is playing in this competition AND out on loan playing football regularly, not quite the same as sitting in a reserve squad is it? Odoffin is around the first team regularly. I forgot Bola, has played league games as well as Cup, hardly a fresh faced youngster never playing.

Don't pretend they aren't getting experience and this is the only chance, absolutely false.

Not sure what our players have to do with the argument of playing a youth team. Why do they have to play in this competition? Because they have hoards of youngsters who don't play proper games. Merely accommodating those who are sweeping the youth ranks and taking the majority of the talent.

[caytonmiller]

Well if they are competing against league 1 and 2 players, albeit with mixed results, that would suggest some of them are capable of playing at our level on a consistent basis. Some won't but many will. Neither. I wish for them to already be at lower league clubs plying their trade until they are ready to play higher up. Who should they replace? Whoever they're better than. Improving the pyramid with better players spread throughout.

How would anyone know if they are good enough to play in the lower leagues if they don't compete in cups like these. Thats prob why most are not going out on loan as league 1 and 2 can only have 5 loan players and why should they take a chance on a player they can't see play or a player who only plays against kids. Playing the under 23s from prem clubs imo could help the lower league clubs by putting these players on show. Let's be honest, they are not sending the players and staff to away days in this cup for the cash.

[Beaufighter]

The way I view this trophy is this, even if I’m in a minority of 1.

When it started as the Associate members cup and for all the time it was only for L1 and L2 (or their equivalent) teams I was all for it. For many seasons I was frustrated that we never got anywhere in it, and in 96 I was as joyous at Wembley as any of the 20k that went to watch us.

When they talked of “expanding the competition” I thought ‘great, get the conference clubs in it as well’. But no, they went the other way and added Premier League juniors to it.

In the 80’s our reserves competed with the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd reserves in the Central League and used to do well. These days our FIRST team is expected to play against their JUNIORS! not even reserves. If that’s not a massive insult to a whole swathe of professional clubs, I don’t know what is.

A century ago County played in the Midland League and won it 4 times on the trot. Also in that league were Wednesday and Sheff Utd Reserves. Through sweat, toil and near bankruptcy RUFC earned the right to compete with these clubs as equals. Why the hell should any league club be deemed worthy of only facing an U21 side? As soon as this change was brought about, my interest in this competition was dead.

[Grumpy King of the West]

The way I view this trophy is this, even if I’m in a minority of 1.

When it started as the Associate members cup and for all the time it was only for L1 and L2 (or their equivalent) teams I was all for it. For many seasons I was frustrated that we never got anywhere in it, and in 96 I was as joyous at Wembley as any of the 20k that went to watch us.

When they talked of “expanding the competition” I thought ‘great, get the conference clubs in it as well’. But no, they went the other way and added Premier League juniors to it.

In the 80’s our reserves competed with the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd reserves in the Central League and used to do well. These days our FIRST team is expected to play against their JUNIORS! not even reserves. If that’s not a massive insult to a whole swathe of professional clubs, I don’t know what is.

A century ago County played in the Midland League and won it 4 times on the trot. Also in that league were Wednesday and Sheff Utd Reserves. Through sweat, toil and near bankruptcy RUFC earned the right to compete with these clubs as equals. Why the hell should any league club be deemed worthy of only facing an U21 side? As soon as this change was brought about, my interest in this competition was dead.

Nailed it mate 👍

[caytonmiller]

I get your point beau. I remember it being introduced for the poor teams who didn't have a chance of winning the other cups to then stand a chance of winning sumat. Was that patronising?
Why do non league teams have to qualify to join the fa cup? Why not just stick every team in the hat and if ebsfleet draw man u then that's the draw. Why do people object to the big teams breaking away from the premier League and forming a super League.

[Brin]

I get your point beau. I remember it being introduced for the poor teams who didn't have a chance of winning the other cups to then stand a chance of winning sumat. Was that patronising?
Why do non league teams have to qualify to join the fa cup? Why not just stick every team in the hat and if ebsfleet draw man u then that's the draw. Why do people object to the big teams breaking away from the premier League and forming a super League.

Cayton, I totally agree that ALL clubs irrespective of the league they play in, should enter the FA Cup in round 1. Too much power in the FA though to ever see this happen.

[clarkey1974]

The league cup is on its knees,this competition is much maligned…so there should be room in the calendar to revamp and merge them into a new competition time to create something different and innovative whilst giving fair chance as much as sportingly possible …..the hundred was brought into cricket and the horse racing league both started this year and they were both designed to invigorate each sport and they was deemed a success with scope for growth with tweaks and evolving ideas here and there..

[CAMiller]

The league cup is on its knees,this competition is much maligned…so there should be room in the calendar to revamp and merge them into a new competition time to create something different and innovative whilst giving fair chance as much as sportingly possible …..the hundred was brought into cricket and the horse racing league both started this year and they were both designed to invigorate each sport and they was deemed a success with scope for growth with tweaks and evolving ideas here and there..

I agree about a revamp. How about teams in this competition having a Quarterback and scoring through touchdowns and field goals, now that's an idea!

[Beaufighter]

But in both those situations you described, we are talking about first teams (whether individual clubs choose to honour that is another discussion). The fact that that this Trophy actually enshrines in its rules that the Prem teams are playing their U21 sides AND that no L1 or L2 team is permitted to the same is a disgrace. Why not have an U21 cup allowing 2 overage players for every team? The inequality in football has always stunk. But writing it into the rules is another level imo.