ot unvaccinated nhs staff

[ragingpup]

Serious question:

Can it be proved that a jab reduces the impact of covid?

How do we know that those who were jabbed and caught it, would have had worse symptoms without it.?

Is the jab taking the credit for something that may have another explanation?

I don't know to be honest

There is a great amount of data showing that the much greater number of people admitted to hospital and also placed on MVU are unvaccinated. Is that what you're asking? That seems to me to suggest that if you are jabbed, you are likely to have less severe symptons?

[great_fire]

Serious question:

Can it be proved that a jab reduces the impact of covid?

How do we know that those who were jabbed and caught it, would have had worse symptoms without it.?

Is the jab taking the credit for something that may have another explanation?

I don't know to be honest

It's the old "tiger repellent" thing.

Every day I spray myself with tiger repellent and I haven't been attacked by a tiger once, therefore it's very effective and I'll keep spraying myself with it.

The vaccines and the masks can fall into this category.

Climate change is similar, say it's man-made and who can prove otherwise?

[fivetide]

My issue with this is that could make it personal choice to wash their hands. People still get infections in hospital. We still have outbreaks of flesh eating bacteria so does that mean we should stop cleaning hospitals because most people don't get it and some people will anyway?

I'd rather medical staff urged on the side of caution and lessened the risk. That includes hand washing and getting jabbed.

[Slimchance]

My issue with this is that could make it personal choice to wash their hands. People still get infections in hospital. We still have outbreaks of flesh eating bacteria so does that mean we should stop cleaning hospitals because most people don't get it and some people will anyway?

I'd rather medical staff urged on the side of caution and lessened the risk. That includes hand washing and getting jabbed.

I think you know the answer to this.

[great_fire]

My issue with this is that could make it personal choice to wash their hands. People still get infections in hospital. We still have outbreaks of flesh eating bacteria so does that mean we should stop cleaning hospitals because most people don't get it and some people will anyway?

I'd rather medical staff urged on the side of caution and lessened the risk. That includes hand washing and getting jabbed.

Come on, there's a big difference between those two things, that's ridiculous trying to link them.

[fivetide]

Come on, there's a big difference between those two things, that's ridiculous trying to link them.

It's an extreme example, for a reason, but you could apply the same argument if you wanted to. here is factual evidence to support that both are beneficial for patients and both help reduce harm. Even if it means not taking up a bed or a patient missing an appointment because their surgeon is off with serious Rona when they could have been jabbed and over it in a week.

That's the big issue, the knock on effect. Would I care if the person doing my surgery was jabbed? No. Would I care I wasn't able to get life saving surgery because they were off ill when they didn't need to be? Yes.

It's like the anti-maskers. Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless? It beggars belief.

Remember, Meat Loaf died from Coronavirus. He was anti-vax and for some reason it wasn't widely reported but it is what killed him. Just really do not get the argument against. Especially from medical professionals.

[great_fire]

It's an extreme example, for a reason, but you could apply the same argument if you wanted to. here is factual evidence to support that both are beneficial for patients and both help reduce harm. Even if it means not taking up a bed or a patient missing an appointment because their surgeon is off with serious Rona when they could have been jabbed and over it in a week.

That's the big issue, the knock on effect. Would I care if the person doing my surgery was jabbed? No. Would I care I wasn't able to get life saving surgery because they were off ill when they didn't need to be? Yes.

It's like the anti-maskers. Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless? It beggars belief.

Remember, Meat Loaf died from Coronavirus. He was anti-vax and for some reason it wasn't widely reported but it is what killed him. Just really do not get the argument against. Especially from medical professionals.

What about the knock-on effect from vaccine mandates and the precedent it sets that the state has control over your body?

What if they say to you, "there's a lot of people on the transplant list needing a kidney, you have two so we'll take one"?

Have you heard of the Buck v Bell decision of 1927 in the USA, where a vaccine mandate in Massachusetts was ruled to be a precedent for sterilising the "feeble minded" in Virginia? And the great "liberal" judge Oliver Wendell Holmes said: "The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

[Brin]

It's an extreme example, for a reason, but you could apply the same argument if you wanted to. here is factual evidence to support that both are beneficial for patients and both help reduce harm. Even if it means not taking up a bed or a patient missing an appointment because their surgeon is off with serious Rona when they could have been jabbed and over it in a week.

That's the big issue, the knock on effect. Would I care if the person doing my surgery was jabbed? No. Would I care I wasn't able to get life saving surgery because they were off ill when they didn't need to be? Yes.

It's like the anti-maskers. Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless? It beggars belief.

Remember, Meat Loaf died from Coronavirus. He was anti-vax and for some reason it wasn't widely reported but it is what killed him. Just really do not get the argument against. Especially from medical professionals.

''Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless?''.....so blood doesn't spurt in their face/mouth during operations, thought everyone knew that.

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

''Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless?''.....so blood doesn't spurt in their face/mouth during operations, thought everyone knew that.

Reason the surgeons wear masks, in case tha wakes during operation, & it goes wrong, tha can't identify them.

[Shark27]

That's the big issue, the knock on effect. Would I care if the person doing my surgery was jabbed? No. Would I care I wasn't able to get life saving surgery because they were off ill when they didn't need to be? Yes.

The surgeon would be off work whether they had been jabbed or not.

There is also a small chance that they could be off for longer than necessary if they don’t have the jab.

There is 100% chance that they would be off if they had been given the sack!!!