O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[hissingdwarf]

If people protested against their government in London like they're protesting in Moscow, Priti Patel could lock them up for up to 10 years. We're not much of a democracy either. (Borrowed from Twitter.)
Very true. Johnson has been wetting himself waiting for this to happen. Causes all press to be focused elsewhere and keeps the peeps here busy whilst he does not a lot to 'sanction' Putin. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about the Russian economy will tell you the sanctions amount to nothing more than a 'stone chip on the paint of a new car.' Russia has stragetically moved its economy away from the dollar and the west for many years now.

[TheBlackHorse]

[QUOTE=Mapperleypie; An extraordinary odd world-view. Siding with Putin over one of our allies.[/QUOTE]

... I thought you were brighter than that Mapp. It appears that the 4th Reich adopted the principle that, just like the Americans, business is more important than politics. They tried to secure special terms for themselves and fell into the simple trap of p u t i n..g nearly all their eggs in one basket. First year economists wouldn't do that! ; such was/is their arrogance. Germany has never been our ally other than on paper. They've even stopped other countries passing on components, manufactured in Germany, which might find their way to Ukraine for fear of upsetting the Russians. They even stopped - well, we decided - not to over fly Germany when delivering arms to Ukraine. Why on earth didn't we just tell them to f off; how were they going to stop us ... fire sausages at us. We just have to play by their rules; pathetic.

[TheBlackHorse]

...... as if you didn't need telling ... cutting Russia out of the 'Swift' payment process would have blocked it from most international financial transactions, including profits from oil and gas production.

The EU failed to back Britain's bid to punish Russia. While many former soviet states who are now members of the EU were eager to press ahead with sanctions, countries including Germany, the Netherlands and Italy are understood to have resisted pressure to adopt the move.

Who needs enemies with friends like this ...

[BanjoPie]

If people protested against their government in London like they're protesting in Moscow, Priti Patel could lock them up for up to 10 years. We're not much of a democracy either. (Borrowed from Twitter.)
Very true. Johnson has been wetting himself waiting for this to happen. Causes all press to be focused elsewhere and keeps the peeps here busy whilst he does not a lot to 'sanction' Putin. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about the Russian economy will tell you the sanctions amount to nothing more than a 'stone chip on the paint of a new car.' Russia has stragetically moved its economy away from the dollar and the west for many years now.

You are obviously clued up on this so what sanctions do you suggest?

[JoePass]

...... as if you didn't need telling ... cutting Russia out of the 'Swift' payment process would have blocked it from most international financial transactions, including profits from oil and gas production.

The EU failed to back Britain's bid to punish Russia. While many former soviet states who are now members of the EU were eager to press ahead with sanctions, countries including Germany, the Netherlands and Italy are understood to have resisted pressure to adopt the move.

Who needs enemies with friends like this ...

Be interesting to hear the views of the remainers,

[frenchmagpie]

Be interesting to hear the views of the remainers,

Here's the thing about remainers... We recognise a bad decision with poor outcomes when we see it and hope for a reversal.
Your turn.

[keldsyke]

Interesting developments today, as I said in a previous post about the solution coming from within Russia it’s self, it now seems like the Russian people are starting to take to social media to start a campaign to end the war.

The threat today from Putin regarding Finland or Sweden attempting to join NATO shows that it’s all or bust for Putin, and personally I think it’s going to end very badly for him, bizarrely it reminds me of the Dr Strangelove film.

just a hunch and might seem bizarre to some but I think some good may come out of this if Putin’s regime is taken out, it seems the Russian people just want what everyone else does to live in peace.

[frenchmagpie]

.... and we don't expect to agree with evert decision that each sovereign government in the EU makes.

[keldsyke]

Here's the thing about remainers... We recognise a bad decision with poor outcomes when we see it and hope for a reversal.
Your turn.

It’s amazing to think living and working in Europe at the time of the referendum the amount of pressure I was put on to vote leave by French, German and Italian colleagues, who if had tbe chance would vote to leave too, all is not well in Europe and the EU’s performance in this latest crisis shows how they aren’t fit for purpose.

[crazyfists]

Here's the thing about remainers... We recognise a bad decision with poor outcomes when we see it and hope for a reversal.
Your turn.

This. Swift should be used as punishment, we all hope this is the case, remain or leave.