O/T Democracy

[BigLadonOS]

The Benn law does not prevent no deal - it requires BoJo to ask for an extension if a new deal isn’t agreed by, I think, 16th October. As you have observed, it does not and cannot compel the EU to agree to extend and if they don’t agree, we either leave on the 31st with no deal or Parliament is going to have to vote to revoke Article 50.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the law says nothing about how BoJo is to ask. It would be open to him to go to the EU and say ‘I’ve been told to apply for an extension. I don’t know what it is supposed to achieve given that Parliament want neither a deal nor a no deal exit and the official opposition doesn’t even know what it’s position on Brexit is’. France and a couple of other countries are closing to saying ‘non’ and that approach just might do it.

If BoJo refuses to ask the EU for an extension, someone will go to court for an order that compels the government to do so. On that basis, it’s not correct to say that the law is unenforceable. It is simply that it is not guaranteed to have the intended effect as it is dependent upon the EU granting an extension. Your divorce analogy is a good one.

The attempt to prevent a no deal takes the UK’s main bargaining chip off the table in its dealings with the EU. Even if BoJo secures a new deal (which is likely to be a repackaged version of the May deal) , it would still have to get past Parliament in a ‘meaningful vote’ which is unlikely given that Labour will continue to play political games with a view to trying to secure power for themselves.

What is to stop Boris playing this out until Oct 16 then calling a no confidence vote in himself before he has to ask for an extension?

Would it mean that the other parties have 14 days to get a temp PM in or would it mean a GE?

[Silly-miller]

I can honestly see things getting worse death threats have already been made to mps while I’m not condoning what they did I understand their anger and I can see a possibility of another joe cox. Everywhere I go people are livid about brexit. I personally turn news off now it annoys me but you will get some people who’s not playing with a full deck snapping

[Godsend.F.C.]

What is to stop Boris playing this out until Oct 16 then calling a no confidence vote in himself before he has to ask for an extension?

Would it mean that the other parties have 14 days to get a temp PM in or would it mean a GE?

As I understand it other parties would have 14 days to form a government.
If they couldn’t form one an election would be around November 5th, very appropriate, bring Guy back and finish the job he started.

I doubt Boris would go down that route, it would mean someone like Kenneth Clarke or CORBYN possibly heading a government, not going to happen in my opinion.

[KerrAvon]

What is to stop Boris playing this out until Oct 16 then calling a no confidence vote in himself before he has to ask for an extension?

Would it mean that the other parties have 14 days to get a temp PM in or would it mean a GE?

One assumes that Parliament would vote down the no confidence motion saying that they would bring one forward at the time of their choosing.

[KerrAvon]

As I understand it other parties would have 14 days to form a government.
If they couldn’t form one an election would be around November 5th, very appropriate, bring Guy back and finish the job he started.

I doubt Boris would go down that route, it would mean someone like Kenneth Clarke or CORBYN possibly heading a government, not going to happen in my opinion.

If the rebel alliance can agree upon who they want as a temporary PM then I think there is every chance that they will bring down the government in a no confidence vote. Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman are being mooted.

The problem is that the rebel alliance is itself divided. Corbyn says that he wants the PM job (which would probably result in him quickly taking the title of shortest ever serving PM from BoJo) whereas most sensible MPs (some in his own party) really don't want that to happen.

[Godsend.F.C.]

If the rebel alliance can agree upon who they want as a temporary PM then I think there is every chance that they will bring down the government in a no confidence vote. Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman are being mooted.

The problem is that the rebel alliance is itself divided. Corbyn says that he wants the PM job (which would probably result in him quickly taking the title of shortest ever serving PM from BoJo) whereas most sensible MPs (some in his own party) really don't want that to happen.

“IF” such a small word yet means quite a lot.
The Alliance agree on very little.
Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman would be as good a choice as can be expected.
Somethings got to give sooner or later, would rather it be sooner.

[ragingpup]

Labour have been clear that their further referendum will have the options of the deal that they say they can get and remain. No deal is not on their agenda.

The deal Labour appears to be aiming for is a Norway style nightmare – we pay money, we take their laws, we accept the jurisdiction of their courts, but have no seat at the table when new laws are created. Remain is infinitely preferable to that. Perhaps that is the intention.

Is that the type of deal that Farage was purring over before the referendum??

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...odel-1-6024817

[flourbasher]

I'm not sure what people expected BJ to do yesterday. The whole of the opposition parties and some of his own party will have been relishing the opportunity to verbally attack him which a lot tried to do and failed. He swotted them all away with ease and reaffirmed it's his intention to deliver the will of the people. What us wrong with that.

Because many MP,s were left feeling humiliated they resorted to underhand tactics like discussing the jo Cox murder. It wasn't BJ who mentioned that it was another MP so what's he meant to apologise for. It should be the MP who inappropriately raised it that should apologise.
JO Swinson then tries to blame BJ for death threats to her child.
Whilst both these events are abhorrent the anger of the public has already been out there for a long time and isn't because of BJ,s choice of words last night. It,s because MP,s are blocking democracy. Jo Swinson has brought this very unfortunate situation on herself and should not blame others because she thought she could buy some cheap votes and it's now backfired on her

[KerrAvon]

Is that the type of deal that Farage was purring over before the referendum??

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...odel-1-6024817

I have no idea, raging

If he did, it was as crap an idea coming from him as it is coming from elements of your party.

[howdydoo]

I'm not sure what people expected BJ to do yesterday. The whole of the opposition parties and some of his own party will have been relishing the opportunity to verbally attack him which a lot tried to do and failed. He swotted them all away with ease and reaffirmed it's his intention to deliver the will of the people. What us wrong with that.

Because many MP,s were left feeling humiliated they resorted to underhand tactics like discussing the jo Cox murder. It wasn't BJ who mentioned that it was another MP so what's he meant to apologise for. It should be the MP who inappropriately raised it that should apologise.
JO Swinson then tries to blame BJ for death threats to her child.
Whilst both these events are abhorrent the anger of the public has already been out there for a long time and isn't because of BJ,s choice of words last night. It,s because MP,s are blocking democracy. Jo Swinson has brought this very unfortunate situation on herself and should not blame others because she thought she could buy some cheap votes and it's now backfired on her

JO Swinson HAS a child. WOW.

Has anyone owned up to being the father?