THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[laddo]

I suspect nobody on here is surprised you don't understand

So you are against Notts managers getting more than a full season in charge, or just against the current manager having more than one full season? If they haven't succeeded after one full season, get rid? Or have I got that wrong?

If only you understood that backing a Notts manager to fail is the easy option, it's the shorter odds. You aren't alone in not understanding this. The history books tell us all that alas as we know you in particular aren't very good with facts.

Let me try and make it really clear, if you had backed every Notts manager appointed to (ultimately) fail in the past say 30 years how many times would you have been wrong? 3? 4? You can definitely count them on one hand.

Hope that helps. Basically you don't deserve a prize for stating that Notts didn't pick the right manager or manager X won't get us promoted. It's what we do, it's what most clubs do.

The same proven theory applies to player signings, play safe and say all will fail and you are going to be right more often than not. That's lower league/non league for ya.

True story.

[Elite_Pie]

I suspect nobody on here is surprised you don't understand

So you are against Notts managers getting more than a full season in charge, or just against the current manager having more than one full season? If they haven't succeeded after one full season, get rid? Or have I got that wrong?

If only you understood that backing a Notts manager to fail is the easy option, it's the shorter odds. You aren't alone in not understanding this. The history books tell us all that alas as we know you in particular aren't very good with facts.

Let me try and make it really clear, if you had backed every Notts manager appointed to (ultimately) fail in the past say 30 years how many times would you have been wrong? 3? 4? You can definitely count them on one hand.

Hope that helps. Basically you don't deserve a prize for stating that Notts didn't pick the right manager or manager X won't get us promoted. It's what we do, it's what most clubs do.

The same proven theory applies to player signings, play safe and say all will fail and you are going to be right more often than not. That's lower league/non league for ya.

True story.

Half of a true story.

The half you missed (yet again) is that sticking with a manager who isn't very good also leads to failure.

[Davy500]

I suspect nobody on here is surprised you don't understand

So you are against Notts managers getting more than a full season in charge, or just against the current manager having more than one full season? If they haven't succeeded after one full season, get rid? Or have I got that wrong?

If only you understood that backing a Notts manager to fail is the easy option, it's the shorter odds. You aren't alone in not understanding this. The history books tell us all that alas as we know you in particular aren't very good with facts.

Let me try and make it really clear, if you had backed every Notts manager appointed to (ultimately) fail in the past say 30 years how many times would you have been wrong? 3? 4? You can definitely count them on one hand.

Hope that helps. Basically you don't deserve a prize for stating that Notts didn't pick the right manager or manager X won't get us promoted. It's what we do, it's what most clubs do.

The same proven theory applies to player signings, play safe and say all will fail and you are going to be right more often than not. That's lower league/non league for ya.

True story.

Not at all Laddo, i think managers should get more than one season if they have shown any sign of promise, but to be fair Ardley was poor from the start, as i have said many times, one win from his first 12,the writing was on the wall and relegated at swindon. In my eyes he deserves to be sacked on that basis alone.
I think if we had backed nearly any other manager, we would have at least remained in League 2
Not only that Ardley is a one trick pony, his negative and defensive tactics have continued for over 2 years with little success
I understand that we have sacked to many average to good managers, but to stick with the worst one because of this makes no sense. I am absolutely convinced we would be no worse of , if we had appointed a new manager, we might have stayed in League 2, we might have gone up last year etc , so its wasted 2 years even if he is successful

This might surprise you i really want Ardley to succeed , because that would lead to Notts being promoted, still at least if he fails i will have the satisfaction, that i called it right after his first 12 games.

[laddo]

"We might have stayed up" two seasons ago.
"We might have gone up last season".
Might being the key word here.

That of course could be true on each occasion but we will never know and the too frequently changing of managers is the thing that got us in trouble two seasons ago as you are fully aware. Before Ardley we wasted way more than two seasons chopping and changing managers and falling ever further behind our competitors and wasted a no doubt scary amount of money.

History shows us that changing manager too often simply doesn't work for us. If sticking with a manager doesn't work with the current one sobeit. Giving time certainly doesn't guarantee success obviously. However you look at the list of Notts past managers and ask how many on there before Ardley was given too much in charge?

Like I said backing a Notts manager to not get us promoted is a very safe bet, the odds would be poor each and every time.

We should all want Ardley to succeed, whether people think he can/will is a totally different thing. Sadly clearly not everyone does. #noagenda gets in the way of #NCFC

VivaNCM

[countygump]

"We might have stayed up" two seasons ago.
"We might have gone up last season".
Might being the key word here.

That of course could be true on each occasion but we will never know and the too frequently changing of managers is the thing that got us in trouble two seasons ago as you are fully aware. Before Ardley we wasted way more than two seasons chopping and changing managers and falling ever further behind our competitors and wasted a no doubt scary amount of money.

History shows us that changing manager too often simply doesn't work for us. If sticking with a manager doesn't work with the current one sobeit. Giving time certainly doesn't guarantee success obviously. However you look at the list of Notts past managers and ask how many on there before Ardley was given too much in charge?

Like I said backing a Notts manager to not get us promoted is a very safe bet, the odds would be poor each and every time.

We should all want Ardley to succeed, whether people think he can/will is a totally different thing. Sadly clearly not everyone does. #noagenda gets in the way of #NCFC

VivaNCM

What is the average tenure of a Football League manager? Just as a matter of interest?

[durhampie]

What is the average tenure of a Football League manager? Just as a matter of interest?

That depends just how good they are. In Ardleys case, he comes across as a very good organiser and is obviously a decent guy. Unforunately, those qualities do not make him a good football manager... I think he would be better suited to a career in public relations..

[countygump]

That depends just how good they are. In Ardleys case, he comes across as a very good organiser and is obviously a decent guy. Unforunately, those qualities do not make him a good football manager... I think he would be better suited to a career in public relations..

It's 14 months.

So out of our last 5 managers.


Cooper: Mar 2016-May 2016: Left of his own accord.

Sheridan: May 2016-Jan 2017: 9 months.

Nolan: Jan 2017-Aug 2018: 19 months.

Kewell: Aug 2018-Nov 2018: 4months.

Ardley: Nov 2018-present: 26 months.

[Davy500]

It's 14 months.

So out of our last 5 managers.


Cooper: Mar 2016-May 2016: Left of his own accord.

Sheridan: May 2016-Jan 2017: 9 months.

Nolan: Jan 2017-Aug 2018: 19 months.

Kewell: Aug 2018-Nov 2018: 4months.

Ardley: Nov 2018-present: 26 months.

As i said nothing wrong with giving an average or good manager more time, the shocking thing is all the managers named deserved to be given more time than Ardley, yet our worst manager gets more time than any other, god help us

[Davy500]

"We might have stayed up" two seasons ago.
"We might have gone up last season".
Might being the key word here.

That of course could be true on each occasion but we will never know and the too frequently changing of managers is the thing that got us in trouble two seasons ago as you are fully aware. Before Ardley we wasted way more than two seasons chopping and changing managers and falling ever further behind our competitors and wasted a no doubt scary amount of money.

History shows us that changing manager too often simply doesn't work for us. If sticking with a manager doesn't work with the current one sobeit. Giving time certainly doesn't guarantee success obviously. However you look at the list of Notts past managers and ask how many on there before Ardley was given too much in charge?

Like I said backing a Notts manager to not get us promoted is a very safe bet, the odds would be poor each and every time.

We should all want Ardley to succeed, whether people think he can/will is a totally different thing. Sadly clearly not everyone does. #noagenda gets in the way of #NCFC

VivaNCM

Yet there is no doubt at all with Ardley, he did relegate us, he did fail to get us promoted last season

[laddo]

I think you've missed the point of the question durham, the average tenure of a football league manager across the top 4 division in England.

A quick internet search shows that for the season 2014/15 it was 1.23 years.

Notts average since the millennium will probably be half that of not even less. Therein lies the issue (well one of the big issues at Meadow Lane since 2000). It just doesn't work