Election Year or Fear!

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2029, the likely date of the next election, Reform's share of the vote will be interesting. Will Tories who protest voted last week return to the Conservative fold? Might they decide they like the cut of the Red Tories jib? Will Farridge have got bored and moved on to his next well paid gig? Will he have persuaded more to join his flock?

Reform won't exist in 2029 it will implode under the strain of organising itself and the fact that Farage spends his time stateside.

[ramAnag]

2029, the likely date of the next election, Reform's share of the vote will be interesting. Will Tories who protest voted last week return to the Conservative fold? Might they decide they like the cut of the Red Tories jib? Will Farridge have got bored and moved on to his next well paid gig? Will he have persuaded more to join his flock?

Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

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Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

Tempting as it is to think the Tories will crumble, history suggests that after the election of a couple of useless and/or bat**** crazy Leaders, there will be a reorganisation and eventually return in a more centrist role.

Farage is at best a very rich persons bagman and gob****e, he isn't capable of leading a paper bag anywhere.

How ironic that a right wing media and politicians, who have done so much to try and gerrymander an election result (Rees-Mogg admitting that voter ID was just that) that a) they ahve turned out to be a **** at that as they ahve been at everything they have touched and b) now think FPTP isn't "fair".

[Trickytreesreds]

Tempting as it is to think the Tories will crumble, history suggests that after the election of a couple of useless and/or bat**** crazy Leaders, there will be a reorganisation and eventually return in a more centrist role.

Farage is at best a very rich persons bagman and gob****e, he isn't capable of leading a paper bag anywhere.

How ironic that a right wing media and politicians, who have done so much to try and gerrymander an election result (Rees-Mogg admitting that voter ID was just that) that a) they ahve turned out to be a **** at that as they ahve been at everything they have touched and b) now think FPTP isn't "fair".

Well done great sage. You predicted no seats and yet they pulled the 3rd highest electorate voting, for a party only 4 years old and Farage only on board for four weeks. Keep going, your predictions do amuse me.

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Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

lol, you clown. How was that flawed?


Your mate has hit his first big hurdle. Sein Fein wants him to carry out his bluff promise and put British soldiers wide open to abuse. Right after hundreds of IRA murderers were let off the hook.
So then, will flip flop fold or buckle?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/

this isn't going to end well

[ramAnag]

lol, you clown. How was that flawed?


Your mate has hit his first big hurdle. Sein Fein wants him to carry out his bluff promise and put British soldiers wide open to abuse. Right after hundreds of IRA murderers were let off the hook.
So then, will flip flop fold or buckle?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/

this isn't going to end well

Okay, I know you’re feeling horribly bitter but if you could stop the name calling it’d probably help. So let’s look, objectively, at the flaws that I’m apparently a ‘clown’ for raising.
Last week Labour got 33.7% of the vote and won 63.2% of seats in Parliament.
Reform won 14.3% of the popular vote which gave them just 5 seats. Compare that with the Lib Dem’s who turned 12.2% of the vote into 72 seats and it’s easy to see how our democracy is flawed.
It’s democratically unacceptable even though, on the other side of the coin, if we added up Tory and Reform votes against those of Labour, LibDems and Greens the ‘score’ would have been something like 38% v 52% and the outcome very similar.

I, of course, am delighted by what’s happened…because, this time, I’m on the winning side but, objectively, it’s a nonsense.

You in comparison are all bitter and twisted. Your theories about this being ‘the immigration election’ and the rise of the Right in France have proved nothing more than wishful thinking on your part, but let’s not dwell on the personal.

Fact is our democracy IS deeply flawed. Part of me finds that funny because you and Farage are now so outraged, and yet in 2016 when a binary democratic decision of enormous consequence was made by around just 38% of the electorate you could barely contain your delight and likewise in 2019, when Johnson won a huge majority on the back of just 43.6% of the popular vote you had no fault to find.

More seriously and objectively…the system is flawed. Those flaws have now been thrown into sharp focus by this election but it is no more flawed than in 2016 and 2019. If you want to debate any necessary change then let’s do so…respectfully and sensibly. If you just want to keep chucking names around and your toys out of the pram then I’m not interested. What goes around comes around Tricky, but I agree we do need change even though it will probably lead to 10-12% of parliamentary seats being held by those with far right views that most decent people find reprehensible.

[Andy_Faber]

rA, best do what I've done an ignore the tw@t!

Though it might be pertinent to note that Reform got basically the same proportion of the vote that UKIP did in 2015, which suggests that any suggestion there is a groundswell or support for a far right party in the UK isn't true.

Agreeing yet again with GP, your bigotry is blinding you to the differences between UKIP and Reform. There’s a groundswell of support driven by a feeling of being passed over, and You can call such people all the names you want, they are there and growing whether you, I or GP like it or not, and just calling people names will only swell the ranks, how do you think the undecided feel when your potty mouthed demeanour makes it seem like you’re still in shorts?

[Trickytreesreds]

Agreeing yet again with GP, your bigotry is blinding you to the differences between UKIP and Reform. There’s a groundswell of support driven by a feeling of being passed over, and You can call such people all the names you want, they are there and growing whether you, I or GP like it or not, and just calling people names will only swell the ranks, how do you think the undecided feel when your potty mouthed demeanour makes it seem like you’re still in shorts?

He should go to France, he'll enjoy it.

The left/far left/ Islamists collude to stop the popular vote.
They riot and burn things in protest of Round one Le Pen win
They riot and burn things to celebrate the blocking of Le Pen and her dictator party

You couldn't make it up.

Again I'll say it, proportional representation. Everyone has a voice and that voice should be reflected in office.

All Labour are going to do is rile up those folks who want things to change here. THE BORDER BOATS ARE WORKING OVER TIME TODAY
His side kick Blair comes out the wood work, trying to pull strings
They are already colluding with the EU.
Starmer caught off camera, being told his eco policies will cost hundreds of billions of pounds, we don't have.
Starmer already panicking over Trump, as Republicans have done a dossier on Lammy after his comments. What a selection for foreign secretary, from anti white rants/ Trump/ white saviour comments undermining aid to Africa. Brilliant.
Troubles coming, just watch.

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I'm going to do a Swale now .
80% of the country didn't vote for Starmer, so that election should not count.

Same thing has happened in france, which is now ungovernable when you look at their ruling bodies.

No one seems to want to answer the question I keep posing on here.

WHY HAVE THE RIGHT RISEN ACROSS EUROPE?

The previous governments have to take a long look in the mirror.

Take the Tories, had they done Brexit right/protected the borders/ controlled immigration as it should. Then this last election would have looked so very different. Yes there were other issues, but the 4 M Reform VOTERS ALONE, were not the whole story. They also lost some to the other parties as a result.

Reform wouldn't exist today, had that happened and the Tory elite thinking it could ignore its own promises.

[Trickytreesreds]

What the Aussies think of France, all is lost and watch the fire works.

The French aren't noted for subtelty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogPBfAvNcPs