Brexit talks

[1959_60]

I'm still amazed that people thought we would have a better deal with the EU after leaving it. Deluded springs to mind.

This was never going to end well...but we have made our beds.

[sinkov]

I'm still amazed that people thought we would have a better deal with the EU after leaving it. Deluded springs to mind.

More fake news, it was pointed out on numerous occasions that we couldn't have the same deal after we had left, I've yet to hear anyone, Leavers or Remainers, claiming that we could. We will attempt to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, while negotiating trade deals with every other country we seek to trade with. We will be in the same position as every other country in the world outside of the EU, most of whom manage their own affairs perfectly well. I'm still amazed that some people think that the UK, the 5th largest economy in the world is incapable of doing the same.

Times must have changed for sure, if this pathetic, defeatist mentality had been prevalent 70 years ago we'd never have survived WW2, in fact we'd never have fought it, we'd have capitulated and let Germany walk all over us, a sitution not unlike the one we face today.

[Balanbam00]

I do not know why you are all surprised ,its the economic system we have , and thats how the clock tics, come up with a better system!!!

[oldcolner]

So no agreement yet on anything, but Vince rides in on his Liberal charger looking for his exit from Brexit.

[sinkov]

So no agreement yet on anything, but Vince rides in on his Liberal charger looking for his exit from Brexit.

I don't know if the penny has dropped yet with Remoanians, probably not, but the EU commision stated last week that there can be no going back for the UK. Article 50 is irreversible, there is no mechanism by which the process can be halted or reversed. Yet one political party actually fought the General Election on this fantasy, and the Remoanian media and establishment still act as though they think they can stop this happening. They need to go and have a word with their EU chums in Brussels, they'll put them right.

[oldcolner]

Here's an interesting take on the current position from a European publication

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/...king-progress/

[oldcolner]

I don't know if the penny has dropped yet with Remoanians, probably not, but the EU commision stated last week that there can be no going back for the UK. Article 50 is irreversible, there is no mechanism by which the process can be halted or reversed. Yet one political party actually fought the General Election on this fantasy, and the Remoanian media and establishment still act as though they think they can stop this happening. They need to go and have a word with their EU chums in Brussels, they'll put them right.

Until European Courts have determined the position I'm not sure it's as black and white as that. Both sides can find someone saying what they want to hear. The guy who wrote the clause says it is possible to pull out, but it doesn't say that does it. I presum eif all 27 states agreed to reversal it would be possible, but would they all agree. I suspect given the impending cuts in the EU budget after Brexit they just might, but possibly only if we lost our rebate and paid more.
Vince is going against the referendum so will be swimming upstream, his deputy leader only got in because people voted to get rid of the SNP. He doesn't have the numbers to do anything other than irritate in his Westminster slots.

[sinkov]

Until European Courts have determined the position I'm not sure it's as black and white as that. Both sides can find someone saying what they want to hear. The guy who wrote the clause says it is possible to pull out, but it doesn't say that does it. I presum eif all 27 states agreed to reversal it would be possible, but would they all agree. I suspect given the impending cuts in the EU budget after Brexit they just might, but possibly only if we lost our rebate and paid more.
Vince is going against the referendum so will be swimming upstream, his deputy leader only got in because people voted to get rid of the SNP. He doesn't have the numbers to do anything other than irritate in his Westminster slots.

OC, I'm just pointing out what the EU Commission have said, it probably wasn't widely reported in the UK because it destroys any dwindling hope the Remoanian establishment and media have of halting or reversing the process, they prefer to bury their heads in the sand and deny reality.

The EU Commission is the Executive arm of the EU, all EU law emanates from them, they run the EU. One of their responsibilities is to ensure adherence to the EU Treaties, Article 50 is an Article of the Lisbon Treaty, if the EU Commission says it's irreversible then it doesn't matter what ANYONE else says, it's irreversible, there's no gainsaying the Commission, in effect they are the EU.

[footy_le_bordel]

OC, I'm just pointing out what the EU Commission have said, it probably wasn't widely reported in the UK because it destroys any dwindling hope the Remoanian establishment and media have of halting or reversing the process, they prefer to bury their heads in the sand and deny reality.

The EU Commission is the Executive arm of the EU, all EU law emanates from them, they run the EU. One of their responsibilities is to ensure adherence to the EU Treaties, Article 50 is an Article of the Lisbon Treaty, if the EU Commission says it's irreversible then it doesn't matter what ANYONE else says, it's irreversible, there's no gainsaying the Commission, in effect they are the EU.

Think there's a bit of wishful thinking going on here.

What the Commission actually said:

Once triggered, can Article 50 be revoked?

It was the decision of the United Kingdom to trigger Article 50. But once triggered, it cannot be unilaterally reversed. Article 50 does not provide for the unilateral withdrawal of the notification.


http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release...17-2001_en.htm

They can't unilaterally revoke the article, but might with the say-so of the other side.

BTW, the other side- namely, Tusk and the head of the EU parliament - have suggested the process is reversible.

fingers crossed, eh?

[footy_le_bordel]

A Tory taking a reasonable approach to Brexit @ link.

I guess Hammond hasn't receieved the memo that a sociopathic Brexit is the order of the day.

https://www.ft.com/content/88bd9268-...f83d2?mhq5j=e2