O/T Brexit

[magpie_mania]

The 350 million headline isn't true, and I find it mind-boggling that two years after it was thoroughly refuted that people still think it is true.

Yes. Thoroughly refuted just after the vote (the following morning!) where it was used to deceive voters. Of course, not everyone fell for it, but without doubt, there were a lot who did.

[i961pie]

Yes. Thoroughly refuted just after the vote (the following morning!) where it was used to deceive voters. Of course, not everyone fell for it, but without doubt, there were a lot who did.

Probably the same amount who fell for the Armageddon scenario.

[magpie_mania]

Probably the same amount who fell for the Armageddon scenario.

Which is more likely to happen?

The 'Armageddon' situation you refer to, or the NHS getting £350m a week?

[i961pie]

Which is more likely to happen?

The 'Armageddon' situation you refer to, or the NHS getting £350m a week?

Neither

[drillerpie]

... more importantly, do you think the EU were/are not wanting 'ever closer union' and the Europe of the Regions is myth?

The principle of ever closer union between peoples of Europe has been written in EU treaties since 1957, but the EU has also formally been declared that member states can integrate at their own pace, which pretty much nullifies that argument.

As proof I can point to the fact that we've got (or rather had) an opt out of Schengen, as well as an opt out of the single currency, and a veto on this, that and the other. Claiming we just rescued ourselves from becoming a region of federal Europe is extremely far fetched, bordering on disingenuous.

Incidentally that article was written in 2016 and I still don't see a European superstate.

[TheBlackHorse]

... you are right Driller. However the various national opt outs are merely temporary in the much longer game.

[drillerpie]

Yes. Thoroughly refuted just after the vote (the following morning!) where it was used to deceive voters. Of course, not everyone fell for it, but without doubt, there were a lot who did.

Farage came clean the morning after the vote but it was refuted even before the referendum.

Apart from the fact that the politicians concerned would never increase spending on the NHS out of principle, the 350 million figure is a fiction, there has never been and never will be a week when we send 350 million to the EU.

The fact that we are still debating this underlines how problematic the whole situation is.

[drillerpie]

... you are right Driller. However the various national opt outs are merely temporary in the much longer game.

How?

[sidders]

Thank God for that - the blessed Theresa's given us all another year's breathing space. Quite a canny idea, that, joining one year at a time under the pretence that you're leaving ... eventually. Can prove quite expensive though.

[i961pie]

Thank God for that - the blessed Theresa's given us all another year's breathing space. Quite a canny idea, that, joining one year at a time under the pretence that you're leaving ... eventually. Can prove quite expensive though.

Another year of pointless arguments on here then