Bobby Duncan

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=mistaram;39609884]

Jeez, mista...you must be at your wits end if you’ve got time to trawl through to see what I wrote over two years ago!

I don’t see any contradiction at all in that comment. I was pleased with his appointment and I don’t have a ‘downer’ on him. It’s not even a case of the ‘Capt. Hindsights’...it’s just that now we can look back with 20/20 vision, so...

Was I pleased when Lampard brought us the three loanees? Of course I was.
Did I expect Lampard to remain with us for more than one season? Yes...especially if he wasn’t particularly successful, which he wasn’t.
Did I fall for all the ‘bounce’ stuff and heart thumping? No...but it was occasionally fun while it lasted.
Do I rate his transfer dealings? Loanees, which are NOT transfers, apart...not very highly. He got rid of some good players and brought in a mixture of decent and dross imo.
Do I think he left us in a stronger position than Rowett? Absolutely not...the backbone of the side left immediately after Wembley...he dillied and dallied over whether he was staying or not which reduced our opportunities to find a suitable replacement quickly enough to use that transfer window, and by the time he left he seemed to have had Clough Jnr type fall outs with Marriott and Martin.
Am I disappointed that he’s done absolutely nothing to help us since he went to Chelsea? Yes...but not entirely surprised.

So, no downer. I’m completely indifferent to what he does now but, looking at things objectively, some exciting moments apart, I don’t think he did Derby County much good at all, and if you’re really bored...please tell me how DCFC were better off following Lampard’s departure than after Rowett’s...that, after all, is the acid test of any manager.[/

RA I would hate to hear you then if you do get a downer with anybody Ridiculous to compare Rowett to Lampard one plays hoof ball and the other got us to a Wembley final . One we got £1.2 million compensation the other got us £4million . Do I think he left us in a worse position than Rowett no I don't Cocu took over a squad that had reach the play off final minus the three loanees He chose to spend his transfer budget on Beilic . Find hard to understand why think Rowett left us in a good position .He was told he had to reduce the wage bill , and player ages ,and a limited budget He knew he couldn't do that and shot of to Stoke where they had money. I agree that Lampard was wrong with his will he won't be stay . He should have cancelled his TV commitment s in Russia and given MM an answer earlier.MM couldn't push it because of the compensation as I've been told Lampard and his staff contracts ran till the end of July. Chelsea have been criticised for not loaning us players Well they won't be doing by the same management are there I know why but better not say ,can't afford the litigation

Lol...you’ve heard it...every time Trump, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Williamson, Patel and Claude Davis are mentioned.

It’s obviously not ridiculous to compare Rowett and Lampard...one took over from the other...they both finished sixth in the Championship...Rowett got one more point and Lampard took us one match further but, imo, Rowett left us with more to build on because the foundations of Lampard’s team all buggered off as soon as the season finished.

You say Cocu took over a squad that got to a Wembley final...’minus the three loanees’, but they were crucial to the team and once Keogh had gone too, after about seven matches, the backbone of that side was well and truly destroyed.

Think you’ve got the seasons mixed up as regards TV commitments in Russia...I’m not certain but I think they delayed Lampard at the beginning of his time at Derby, whereas I’m criticising the time he took to leave. That may well have been largely Chelsea’s fault but he owed us a quick response imo.

I’ve no idea what that last sentence about loans and litigation means...maybe it requires a pm.

[swaledale]

Mista is saying for some reason its unlikely that the present management team at Chelsea will loan players to us he isn't speculating or revealing the reason to avoid litigation, seems clear enough to me!

How can you criticise Lampard for the time it took to leave? You ahve no idea why it took so long and clubs and fans are only to keen to dump a manager quickly so a touch of hypocrisy there!

Oh FFS! How pedantic are you, a transfer is one player from a club to another, if its temporary its classed as a loan, you clearly have too much time on your hands!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale: Retirement does that to people cooped, or semi cooped, up.

Tis not rA's fault, its a COVID lockdown fever thing that we all have some variety of

So, naturalliy, its Johnson's fault!

[ramAnag]

Swale: Retirement does that to people cooped, or semi cooped, up.

Tis not rA's fault, its a COVID lockdown fever thing that we all have some variety of

So, naturalliy, its Johnson's fault!

Oh here we go...the return of the dynamic duo. Are you two speaking again then?

Firstly Swale, I really don’t need you to explain what mista is saying...it’s ‘clear enough’ to me too, I’m just not privy to the detail so was seeking further clarification in a way which would avoid possible litigation. Not at all sure what that’s got to do with you

Yes, you’re right...I don’t know the details of why it took Lampard so long to make his mind up, and frankly I don’t care...all I cared about, in those circumstances, were the consequences for DCFC.

‘Too much time on my hands’ and ‘pedantic’? Hmmm...okay, I’ve recently been self isolating and today it’s been peeing down all day so I’ve answered all the posts that have come my way of late. Something wrong with that?

Really not my fault that you seem unable to differentiate between ‘loans’ and ‘transfers’.
Loans are usually, unless they’re of the Clarke type, temporary short term fixes, whereas ‘transfers’ are permanent and, normally, aimed at longer term gain and building a squad. In the context we’re speaking of here, i.e. what Lampard achieved for Derby, that is crucial...he used the loan market very well...it came close to working...but it didn’t...and once he and his three loanees had left, after about ten months, it didn’t, imo, leave Derby in a very good place.

[mistaram]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39609977]

Lol...you’ve heard it...every time Trump, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Williamson, Patel and Claude Davis are mentioned.

It’s obviously not ridiculous to compare Rowett and Lampard...one took over from the other...they both finished sixth in the Championship...Rowett got one more point and Lampard took us one match further but, imo, Rowett left us with more to build on because the foundations of Lampard’s team all buggered off as soon as the season finished.

You say Cocu took over a squad that got to a Wembley final...’minus the three loanees’, but they were crucial to the team and once Keogh had gone too, after about seven matches, the backbone of that side was well and truly destroyed.

Think you’ve got the seasons mixed up as regards TV commitments in Russia...I’m not certain but I think they delayed Lampard at the beginning of his time at Derby, whereas I’m criticising the time he took to leave. That may well have been largely Chelsea’s fault but he owed us a quick response imo.

I’ve no idea what that last sentence about loans and litigation means...maybe it requires a pm.

How can you say the foundations of Lampards team buggered off . We used 26players that season and three left . Don't know why your bringing Keogh into it we are supposed to be discussing Rowett and Lampard . Twice you have you have said about Lampard getting rid of good players Can you tell us who they were You say he fell out Nigel Clough style with Martin and Marriott well he was not on his own practically every manager has fell out with them Maybe the players not the manager .

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=mistaram;39610089]

How can you say the foundations of Lampards team buggered off . We used 26players that season and three left . Don't know why your bringing Keogh into it we are supposed to be discussing Rowett and Lampard . Twice you have you have said about Lampard getting rid of good players Can you tell us who they were You say he fell out Nigel Clough style with Martin and Marriott well he was not on his own practically every manager has fell out with them Maybe the players not the manager .

So Tomori, Wilson, Mount - along with Keogh - weren’t the ‘foundation’ of that side? You know better than that.

Carson, Pearce and Vydra. I know you don’t rate Carson but Man. City seem to have a place for him and he was better than anything we had until Marshall imo.

It was only a few days ago that you were holding up Marriott and Martin as examples of what we’d lost...now you’re blaming them rather than the manager.

I mentioned Keogh as an example of another loss that Cocu has had to deal with.

[Ram59]

Can you imagine Bobby Duncan going on social media, to find out what the fans think about him, he'd be bloody confused if he just looked at the last few pages on here, lol.

[ramAnag]

Can you imagine Bobby Duncan going on social media, to find out what the fans think about him, he'd be bloody confused if he just looked at the last few pages on here, lol.

Lol...me and Bobby both.

[mistaram]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39610176]

So Tomori, Wilson, Mount - along with Keogh - weren’t the ‘foundation’ of that side?

Carson, Pearce and Vydra.

Carson already told you He's finished washed up a liability on stupid wages
Pearce coming to the end of his contract good pro But can only play left centre back never going to depose Tomori was he
Vydra had to sell our best player set season since 2011 only way to meet FFP.
Couldn't have hurt us much we got to a final without them Even went to Old Trafford and won Got 11million for Vydra and he's scored three goals since he left

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=mistaram;39610207]

Carson already told you He's finished washed up a liability on stupid wages
Pearce coming to the end of his contract good pro But can only play left centre back never going to depose Tomori was he
Vydra had to sell our best player set season since 2011 only way to meet FFP.
Couldn't have hurt us much we got to a final without them Even went to Old Trafford and won Got 11million for Vydra and he's scored three goals since he left

Your opinion of Carson...apparently not one shared by City.
Pearce didn’t have to ‘depose’ Tomori...he left for Millwall on loan in January 2019, and that became a permanent transfer about two weeks before Tomori went back to Chelsea. We lost a good player and a leader unnecessarily imo and were left with no cover
Fair point about Vydra, but at Championship level didn’t he score more goals for us than anyone else since God knows when?
See you’ve chosen to ignore the point about Wilson, Mount, Tomori (and Keogh) forming the ‘backbone’ of the squad. Lampard left us with one quarter of that ‘backbone’.

Time to stop now. Getting dizzy going round in circles.