OT Trump prematurely ejaculates

[MadAmster]

Trump has seemingly painted himself into a corner regarding excuses for losing the election. But where there is a narrow margin of victory in a state then my understanding is that the loser can demand a recount. Gulianni has made all kinds of allegations including double voting, boarding up voting booths to prevent observers wattching the counting, discarded votes, etc. I think that smacks of desperation. But the issue here is not whether Trump or Biden won the election but how confident the US voters are when casting their vote, is it going to the candidate of theirr choice. It's a matter of trust otherwise elections become pointless. I wouldn't vote for one person if I thought that vote would benefit someone else.

That bit emanates from something that happened but doesn't refer to what actually happened..... if it's the occurrence to which I think you refer.

Due to voting secrecy, the booths are not "inspectable" (if that's a word). What they objected to on voting day was the polling station where the windows got covered up with paper/cardboard. The requisite allowed number of "inspectors" from both sides were already inside watching the count in case of "cheating". Outside was a pro trump crowd wanting to get in or at least watch proceedings. That, apparently, is not allowed and is why the windows were covered. Giuliani also claims to have video showing Hunter Biden is a "pee doe" and that he took bribes from Ukraine, China, Russia..... and that Joe Biden is also involved. Giuliani hasn't handed the evidence over to the police/FBI. I wonder why not?

I also saw a keyboard warrior on FB claim that evidence had been found ....... [quote] BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Analysis of Election Night Data from All States Shows MILLIONS OF VOTES Either Switched from President Trump to Biden or Were Lost — Using Dominion and Other Systems ............. [unquote].

As usual with such things I fact checked it. The only 2 things I could find were the FB post itself and a tweet from John Mclaughlin and he died in 2016.......

I know the poster and he is just yanking chains to rattle folk and he is also aware that many will actually believe his joke. He's not wrong.

[Andy_Faber]

Gunt, aren’t you trying to have it both ways? On the one hand you say you ‘don’t mistrust Muslims and you don’t feel threatened by them’ and in the same post you say, ‘if Rotherham was filled with Christians wouldn’t you feel safer’?

I don’t understand that and I actually saw, on TV, the other day a Trump supporter wearing a ‘T shirt’ with the logo, ‘Christian...Trump supporting...Gun carrying...Republican’...which wouldn’t have made me feel at all safe!

Even someone as sane as Andy suggested the other day that...’although most Muslims aren’t terrorists...most terrorists are Muslims’, but it really doesn’t get us anywhere. One could suggest, most ***ual predators, rapists or domestic abusers are men - which is perfectly true - but you wouldn’t then walk around or suggest your daughter should walk around being fearful of men...would you?

YES, sorry rA but I would/have, and I think you would/have too (sorry I don't know if you have daughters). Not fearful, but wary. Its called profiling, everyone does it, and on many fronts. I gave my youngest daughter a massive lecture about being around 'guys with cars and shops' around Derby, and thank God I did. But I also kept a close eye on a (white) guy who frequented our local athletics club as the unofficial club photographer and seemed to take a disproportionate interest in photographing young female athletes. Sorry to say but I wouldn't and haven't given any tree lopping work to anyone without a home address or website for fear it would end up in a layby somewhere.

[swaledale]

YES, sorry rA but I would/have, and I think you would/have too (sorry I don't know if you have daughters). Not fearful, but wary. Its called profiling, everyone does it, and on many fronts. I gave my youngest daughter a massive lecture about being around 'guys with cars and shops' around Derby, and thank God I did. But I also kept a close eye on a (white) guy who frequented our local athletics club as the unofficial club photographer and seemed to take a disproportionate interest in photographing young female athletes. Sorry to say but I wouldn't and haven't given any tree lopping work to anyone without a home address or website for fear it would end up in a layby somewhere.

Surely theres a massive difference between being careful about people, not trusting everyone you meet with the intimate details of your life, until you know more about them, being aware of how to assess risks ( something every parent should teach their children) and profiling a whole race as potential terrorists or all men as potential rapists?

[swaledale]

An American scholar wrote a paper in 2016.. It describes what the author thought Trump would do in the case of him not getting re-elected in 2020. Trump's words and actions almost perfectly mirror the steps in the "plan".

How will it end? One of the possible end games was to use the military to keep hold of power. Would he go that far? It wouldn't surprise me.

Its a good thing then that the military keep well out of politics and that separation has been rigidly observed. If Trump were to try that, it wouldn't work.

Trumps modus operandi is to stall for time and maybe whip enough ill feeling for his supporters (who after all have enough access to weapons to be a real danger) to stage some kind of rebellion. That might happen, but again wiser counsel and more informed counsel than me take the view that he is so distant from reality in his perception that he tries to ignore anything that does not coincide with his world view. He is going to get a mighty shock!

[ramAnag]

YES, sorry rA but I would/have, and I think you would/have too (sorry I don't know if you have daughters). Not fearful, but wary. Its called profiling, everyone does it, and on many fronts. I gave my youngest daughter a massive lecture about being around 'guys with cars and shops' around Derby, and thank God I did. But I also kept a close eye on a (white) guy who frequented our local athletics club as the unofficial club photographer and seemed to take a disproportionate interest in photographing young female athletes. Sorry to say but I wouldn't and haven't given any tree lopping work to anyone without a home address or website for fear it would end up in a layby somewhere.

For the first time in a while I have to agree with Swale. I do have a daughter as it happens and of course I’ve probably handed out much the same warnings as you (not sure about the ‘cars and shops’ bit).
Yes, of course I agree we should all keep a close eye on suspicious behaviour and yes we want our children to be aware and prepared for all the dangers they may face, but my point is...that to base our reaction towards men on the basis of the behaviour of a few rapists, abusers and paed-ophiles makes no more sense than basing our reaction towards Muslims on the basis of the relatively few militant Islamists.

Interestingly...and please don’t take this as any form of excuse for ‘grooming gangs’...years ago I had a professional involvement with the victims of such gangs. The parents of those children (15/16 year olds) from a ‘disadvantaged’ area of Derby would have had neither the ability or the inclination to assume appropriate responsibility or give out the warnings/‘lectures’ you speak of. That was just my experience of course...but it was, perhaps still is, part of the problem.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely theres a massive difference between being careful about people, not trusting everyone you meet with the intimate details of your life, until you know more about them, being aware of how to assess risks ( something every parent should teach their children) and profiling a whole race as potential terrorists or all men as potential rapists?

Its a tricky one, the whole issue, but I don't think there's a massive difference apart from at the extremes represented by those extremely suspicious (represented here by Gunter, Tricky when he rises from his crypt I guess) and those prepared to 'give the benefit' (rA, yourself, and that is no suggestion that you lack care for your families). There just becomes a point where so many of a particular 'group' adopt a practise, the average Joe is wary that all of that group are culpable (going away from the usual, MPs - I'm sure a small number have genuinely had their fingers in the pie, yet its become a mantra that all MPs are on the fiddle).

[Andy_Faber]

For the first time in a while I have to agree with Swale. I do have a daughter as it happens and of course I’ve probably handed out much the same warnings as you (not sure about the ‘cars and shops’ bit).
Yes, of course I agree we should all keep a close eye on suspicious behaviour and yes we want our children to be aware and prepared for all the dangers they may face, but my point is...that to base our reaction towards men on the basis of the behaviour of a few rapists, abusers and paed-ophiles makes no more sense than basing our reaction towards Muslims on the basis of the relatively few militant Islamists.

Interestingly...and please don’t take this as any form of excuse for ‘grooming gangs’...years ago I had a professional involvement with the victims of such gangs. The parents of those children (15/16 year olds) from a ‘disadvantaged’ area of Derby would have had neither the ability or the inclination to assume appropriate responsibility or give out the warnings/‘lectures’ you speak of. That was just my experience of course...but it was, perhaps still is, part of the problem.

Re your two points - I'm guessing (I've written above) that you (and Swale) don't represent most folk, who (some only in their darkest moments of confession) are more inclined to tar all of a 'group' (***, race, belief system blah blah) with the same brush either through ignorance or lack of time to assess an increasing number of individuals they may encounter.

Agreed on the second point (I meant taxis and taxi offices) but don't you think the perps targetted a particular demographic for exactly that reason? You seem to be falling into the mindset of those who allowed the situation to perpetuate in the first place, to place blame on the victims. Few young girls can be blamed too much for their 'choice' of parents

[ramAnag]

Re your two points - I'm guessing (I've written above) that you (and Swale) don't represent most folk, who (some only in their darkest moments of confession) are more inclined to tar all of a 'group' (***, race, belief system blah blah) with the same brush either through ignorance or lack of time to assess an increasing number of individuals they may encounter.

Agreed on the second point (I meant taxis and taxi offices) but don't you think the perps targetted a particular demographic for exactly that reason? You seem to be falling into the mindset of those who allowed the situation to perpetuate in the first place, to place blame on the victims. Few young girls can be blamed too much for their 'choice' of parents

Regarding your second paragraph, ‘don’t you think the perps targeted a particular demographic for exactly that reason’...absolutely, of course I share that opinion and NO young girls ‘can be blamed’ for the failings of their parents.
I’m not in any way though placing ‘blame on the victims’...I’m simply pointing out that the good and committed parenting skills that I imagine you and I have benefited from and hopefully gone on to practice are not as common as you might think and that was something that contributed to the problem.

[Andy_Faber]

Regarding your second paragraph, ‘don’t you think the perps targeted a particular demographic for exactly that reason’...absolutely, of course I share that opinion and NO young girls ‘can be blamed’ for the failings of their parents.
I’m not in any way though placing ‘blame on the victims’...I’m simply pointing out that the good and committed parenting skills that I imagine you and I have benefited from and hopefully gone on to practice are not as common as you might think and that was something that contributed to the problem.

Accepted but we've wandered off the subject

[Ram59]

Accepted but we've wandered off the subject

Not for the first time on this board, but looking at the title of this thread, maybe it's not such a bad idea. Lol.