Clough

[upthemaggies]

It was even better in the early 80s imo. Not only were we playing the top teams, we were competing on level terms. 3 years in the top league 2

Yes, our early 80s team was very much superior, maybe only the center back pairing of Yates and Short would be worth swapping plus Tommy Johnson on the bench.

Terrible result for Mansfield in mid-week, Clough might have a much more tough task than I thought.

[Davy500]

Shame the financial benefits were not there back then ,i mean these days if you stay in the top flight for a while, you have a great chance to return - look at villa spending nearly 100 million on transfers in the championship. Its like now how many of the teams relegated teams will not return before their payments run out. Notts nearly got to the play offs for a return in 94, with all the extra millions today that would have been more much more likely

[magpie_mania]

Yes, our early 80s team was very much superior, maybe only the center back pairing of Yates and Short would be worth swapping plus Tommy Johnson on the bench.

Terrible result for Mansfield in mid-week, Clough might have a much more tough task than I thought.

9 points from 7 games.

Some were saying it would be play-offs under Clough.

Not this season!

[laddo]

No surprise to me, the only surprise it has taken so long and the uptick has been overall underwhelming.

Tbh he couldn't have made them any worse than under the previous manager, they've got some quality in that squad thanks to the wages they've offered. I am told his biggest issue is he's stuck with some very poor signings from Coughlan's time in charge. Standard scenario.

[laddo]

So true, he worked wonders at Pride Park whilst having to drastically reduce their wage bill.

If Stags fans have patience I fear they will be rewarded with promotion to L1 under Clough.

[jackal2]

So true, he worked wonders at Pride Park whilst having to drastically reduce their wage bill.

If Stags fans have patience I fear they will be rewarded with promotion to L1 under Clough.

Perhaps I shouldn't say this, but Nigel Clough's very steady and gradual route to delivering promotion success at Burton, and relative success at Derby, was not dissimilar to Neal Ardley's very steady and gradual route to getting Wimbledon promoted!

[laddo]

Now that post fully invites "open season" from the #pitchfork brigade

Go get him boys!!!!

[upthemaggies]

Now that post fully invites "open season" from the #pitchfork brigade

Go get him boys!!!!

Seeing that we're the biggest club in this division, by some distance in most cases, you'd imagine that Ardley would be more likely to get Notts promoted than relegated if he was given an indefinite amount of time. The chances that we are going to miss out in the play offs again are very high though. Failing repeatedly in the play offs is far from out of the question and there probably is a reasonable chance of an off season in which we'll struggle, not to the point of going down, but it would entail losing a lot of games and playing badly, with all of the frustration in the stands that goes with it.
The above would be true for any future Notts manager at this level because that's the nature of the division (in its' current set-up) but it's never going to be a good look repeatedly failing with the same man in charge. And anything less than promotion is failure for Notts in tier 5.

[magpie_mania]

Seeing that we're the biggest club in this division, by some distance in most cases, you'd imagine that Ardley would be more likely to get Notts promoted than relegated if he was given an indefinite amount of time. The chances that we are going to miss out in the play offs again are very high though. Failing repeatedly in the play offs is far from out of the question and there probably is a reasonable chance of an off season in which we'll struggle, not to the point of going down, but it would entail losing a lot of games and playing badly, with all of the frustration in the stands that goes with it.
The above would be true for any future Notts manager at this level because that's the nature of the division (in its' current set-up) but it's never going to be a good look repeatedly failing with the same man in charge. And anything less than promotion is failure for Notts in tier 5.

If the chance of missing out in the play-offs is very high, that is only your view. I think it's quite possible we will go up, but I think there is more possibility that the season will be expunged.

We keep reading that there are strict protocols in place, but frankly, I cannot see it. The goal celebrations are an example. I thought there was supposed to be no face to face celebrations (might be wrong) but that is out of the window watching this weekend.

It was reported that Sheff Weds have half their squad out - whatever are they doing still playing?

[upthemaggies]

If the chance of missing out in the play-offs is very high, that is only your view.

Statistically, it is very high compared to any other division we've been in. Attendances and resources should dictate that we're more likely than not to finish in the top 7, but there's only 1 automatic spot, which both last season and this we haven't been able to capture at any point in time, never mind when it most matters.

Once we're in the play offs..... once again, size of the club should give us a better chance in the play offs than 1 in 6, it's not the lottery that some insist it is, but over just 2 games there's more chance of an upset (for example big clubs are more likely to get knocked out of cup competitions in a single tie than over two legs and significantly more likely than in a round robin group stage) Success in play offs is far from certain, as we found to our cost last season. If it's a 1 in 3 chance of promotion, that's still a 66% chance of failure. 50/50 would assume you're 100% guaranteed to reach the final, which isn't reasonable (and that's assuming you finish top 3 to avoid the QFs).

I'm quite satisfied that it's an objective fact that there's a very high probability that we will fail in the play offs again, at least one more time before we go up.