Another truth bomb

[Deebunked]

Thanks for the information.
However a 1.6% increase in Scottish students compared to a 37.1% increase in non EU students shows that the universities particularly the ones such St Andrews and Edinburgh are keen to get overseas students who pay the full cost of their degree course.
In my opinion there are too many former technical colleges who are now ‘jumped up’ universities with the daddy of them all, the University of the Highlands and Islands which consists of a rag, tag and bobtail group of former technical colleges including a Gaelic college.

So firstly you acknowledge that your original comment was wrong, by now saying that there are more places for Scottish kids. Giving comment on the quality of the universities is an entirely different thing, and I suspect you're not qualified to judge that.

Secondly, the increase in non-EU students is counter balanced by the difficulties getting EU students since Brexit. Can you explain why having more non EU in that balance is an issue?

Thirdly, the change from techs to universities (like Abertay) is positive for many poorer kids who were rejected by the old elitist system or who need to study in their home town because moving is too expensive. They have a far better pathway for jobs and the only people who don't like it are the old anti-working class elitists because it gives poorer people a chance.
For me, a working class kid gaining a university degree in a practical and useful subject is a far better use of resource than some jumped up fancy Dan getting a degree in some made up art subject then a job in daddies company.

[eric_sinclair]

My young lass had offers from 4 universities so if you have the qualifications you get the offers.
Some on this board just feel the need to argue to suit their narrative.
I'm just amazed nelms hasn't been blamed yet.

[Deeranged]

In my opinion there are too many former technical colleges who are now ‘jumped up’ universities with the daddy of them all, the University of the Highlands and Islands which consists of a rag, tag and bobtail group of former technical colleges including a Gaelic college.

How dare these people have degrees in practical subjects and better themselves to the overall benefit of the nation as a whole? Who let these people out from under our heel?

Couldn't make this **** up.

[BCram]

How dare these people have degrees in practical subjects and better themselves to the overall benefit of the nation as a whole? Who let these people out from under our heel?

Couldn't make this **** up.

I think UHI is facing real financial difficulties. I don't know why Islay is objecting to attempts by Scots to better themselves.

[Returnofrros]

What are you gibbering about now? What's with the personal crap?

When you stop, I'll stop.

I have now stopped because you have posted something without personal crap.

[Deeranged]

I think UHI is facing real financial difficulties. I don't know why Islay is objecting to attempts by Scots to better themselves.

Because he's an incurable snob living in an age gone by. His father was a PE teacher which makes him better than my father who was 'only' a jute mill foreman. This in turn makes Islay, who is a retired Banker (SIC), with a Bachelor degree from a real university better than me because I'm only a common Quality Manager with a Masters from RGU.

Snobbery of the very highest order from a total bigot who believes women should be restricted to the kitchen and anyone non white should be sent home. No wonder I get angry at his nonsensical ramblings.

[Deebunked]

When you stop, I'll stop.

I have now stopped because you have posted something without personal crap.

Go show me where I did that

[BCram]

Again didn't happen. My "own" aren't town centre junkies just because we are the same colour.

My "own" are hard working, working class people of all colours who do their very best to survive and get on when the odds are against them.

That you classify people on the colour of their skin and not what they do or don't do for themselves and their families is anthema to me.

Just as i don't think the working class people of Liverpool or Manchester should be abandoned to the Tories by an independent Scotland I don't accept your classification of my "own" being just white.

It's very well known on here that Islay forms opinions based on his racist and misogynistic views then states them as facts. He will now trawl the internet looking for evidence to back this latest assertion whilst choosing to ignore anything that disproves it.

Because he's an incurable snob living in an age gone by. His father was a PE teacher which makes him better than my father who was 'only' a jute mill foreman. This in turn makes Islay, who is a retired Banker (SIC), with a Bachelor degree from a real university better than me because I'm only a common Quality Manager with a Masters from RGU.

Snobbery of the very highest order from a total bigot who believes women should be restricted to the kitchen and anyone non white should be sent home. No wonder I get angry at his nonsensical ramblings.

Surprised by this response, Deeranged. Not like you, imo. Even people with a different background to yours should be able to speak freely. Seems to me you have both done well.
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[Deeranged]

Surprised by this response, Deeranged. Not like you, imo. Even people with a different background to yours should be able to speak freely. Seems to me you have both done well.
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Of course everyone's entitled to speak freely - unless you're offending one the unoffendables of course. However I don't agree with snobbery, misogyny or racism and part of being able to speak freely is being able to call these things out. Sadly Islay, whether consciously or unconsciously, regularly shows traits of all three.

[BCram]

Again didn't happen. My "own" aren't town centre junkies just because we are the same colour.

My "own" are hard working, working class people of all colours who do their very best to survive and get on when the odds are against them.

That you classify people on the colour of their skin and not what they do or don't do for themselves and their families is anthema to me.

Just as i don't think the working class people of Liverpool or Manchester should be abandoned to the Tories by an independent Scotland I don't accept your classification of my "own" being just white.

It's very well known on here that Islay forms opinions based on his racist and misogynistic views then states them as facts. He will now trawl the internet looking for evidence to back this latest assertion whilst choosing to ignore anything that disproves it.

Of course everyone's entitled to speak freely - unless you're offending one the unoffendables of course. However I don't agree with snobbery, misogyny or racism and part of being able to speak freely is being able to call these things out. Sadly Islay, whether consciously or unconsciously, regularly shows traits of all three.

OK. It always seems to me that calling anyone names isn't as effective as explaining the error of their arguments. EG Debunked gives evidence that more native Scots are in tertiary education. Islay was wrong on that specific point, but the unis themselves are very worried about there reliance on their funding model that is based on very low levels of funding for Scottish students and high fees for students from countries that are rapidly increasing the performance of their home grown universities. Scottish students fees are paid by all taxes and it should be a concern about the dependence of revenues from non Scottish students. That's a rational economic argument and not in any way anti immigrant, or racist, imo.