Wrexham Post Match Thoughts

[OneJohnnyQuinn]

But we are desperate!

Oh yes of course we are 😁

[RU66]

This seasons recruitment it's dire. Only Powell & possibly Holmes Hungbo are looking to the future. Rafferty James are short term rest have either been to the well too many times or are not what we need. Wilkes unless he's cutting inside from the right he doesn't want to know. We needed a physical presence up front who was fit to start with just needing a pre-season.

[Brin]

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players.

Derbs, for the record I respect your points but we do differ slightly.

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed - I think with his current return and antics, the club would probably love Hugill to ask to leave. His wage alone would be a large burden lifted and could be used to probably bring two players in.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

I think you've got yourself confused here pal. Neither Holmes or Hungbo are centre forwards but play out on the wing, hence why they were brought on yesterday, albeit too late for my liking. As for Osong, he's played one full game against Newcastle's U21 side and yes he scored. He has also come off the subs bench 6 times and played approx 49 mins. I agree maybe he could have been used more but only Evans knows why he's played so little time.

As for damaging relationships with other clubs, yes this can be a dangerous practice if we don't use loanees more but, we don't see how Osong applies himself in training and Evans/Raynor do. Is there something that stops him from starting a game via his effort/application during training sessions? As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.



Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.
No that won't be seen as a success, however, the season end is along way off so it's hard to speculate we may finish 16th/17th. Yes, I agree about Hugill's antics yesterday. One minute he's writhing in agony next he's up and about, you have to question that? For me he was like Eaves, very little end product but, and don't laugh, there is a player in there somewhere.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players

Can't comment on why he chooses to sit alone but you've got to admit, it's a strange one. Has any other of the players sat and talked to him? Invited him to sit with them? Has he told anyone he prefers to sit alone? On his future appearances, we saw yesterday that Evans preferred to leave Hugill on the bench and Osong wasn't even picked to make the bench, so, is he injured?

[RU66]

This seasons recruitment it's dire. Only Powell & possibly Holmes Hungbo are looking to the future. Rafferty James are short term rest have either been to the well too many times or are not what we need. Wilkes unless he's cutting inside from the right he doesn't want to know. We needed a physical presence up front who was fit to start with just needing a pre-season.

Mcwilliams I haven't written off. Osong he either isn't ready or can't see point in being here.

[Derbymiller]

Derbs, for the record I respect your points but we do differ slightly.

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed - I think with his current return and antics, the club would probably love Hugill to ask to leave. His wage alone would be a large burden lifted and could be used to probably bring two players in.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

I think you've got yourself confused here pal. Neither Holmes or Hungbo are centre forwards but play out on the wing, hence why they were brought on yesterday, albeit too late for my liking. As for Osong, he's played one full game against Newcastle's U21 side and yes he scored. He has also come off the subs bench 6 times and played approx 49 mins. I agree maybe he could have been used more but only Evans knows why he's played so little time.

As for damaging relationships with other clubs, yes this can be a dangerous practice if we don't use loanees more but, we don't see how Osong applies himself in training and Evans/Raynor do. Is there something that stops him from starting a game via his effort/application during training sessions? As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.



Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.
No that won't be seen as a success, however, the season end is along way off so it's hard to speculate we may finish 16th/17th. Yes, I agree about Hugill's antics yesterday. One minute he's writhing in agony next he's up and about, you have to question that? For me he was like Eaves, very little end product but, and don't laugh, there is a player in there somewhere.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players

Can't comment on why he chooses to sit alone but you've got to admit, it's a strange one. Has any other of the players sat and talked to him? Invited him to sit with them? Has he told anyone he prefers to sit alone? On his future appearances, we saw yesterday that Evans preferred to leave Hugill on the bench and Osong wasn't even picked to make the bench, so, is he injured?

Brin banter is good :0)

I would like to point out on a previous thread you said playing newcastle U21 was valid as they are young players trying to get in a premier league team, you can't have it both ways.

49 minutes and you are writing him off!! wow

last season we played Nombe for a lot of games and he scored what 3 goals, he was brought in as a big signing, what must you have thought of him if Osong is judged in 49 minutes.

Interesting you play the Evans/Raynor watched them in training card, so you think their judgement is accurate now? Previously you have asked questions about their judgement due to formations, player selections and lack of width.

My point is the lad deserves a chance and not 5minutes here and 10 minutes there, whilst JCH is out and Hugill is behaving like he is it is a good time to see what he can do and if the high quality academy at Forest are right about him, I trust them over Evans when judging a young player any day of the week. As i pointed out in the Evans bold talk thread, to even be in the mix at xmas (as Evans says we will) we have to improve our win ratio from 25% to 55%-66% in the next 9 games, something has to change for that to happen and trying the lad up front for a few games might just be that thing, it might not but to dismiss him as a player at this time is unfair and just plain silly.

[Brin]

Brin banter is good :0)

I would like to point out on a previous thread you said playing newcastle U21 was valid as they are young players trying to get in a premier league team, you can't have it both ways.

49 minutes and you are writing him off!! wow

last season we played Nombe for a lot of games and he scored what 3 goals, he was brought in as a big signing, what must you have thought of him if Osong is judged in 49 minutes.

Interesting you play the Evans/Raynor watched them in training card, so you think their judgement is accurate now? Previously you have asked questions about their judgement due to formations, player selections and lack of width.

My point is the lad deserves a chance and not 5minutes here and 10 minutes there, whilst JCH is out and Hugill is behaving like he is it is a good time to see what he can do and if the high quality academy at Forest are right about him, I trust them over Evans when judging a young player any day of the week. As i pointed out in the Evans bold talk thread, to even be in the mix at xmas (as Evans says we will) we have to improve our win ratio from 25% to 55%-66% in the next 9 games, something has to change for that to happen and trying the lad up front for a few games might just be that thing, it might not but to dismiss him as a player at this time is unfair and just plain silly.

Derbs,
I don't think you've read my reply correctly pal. I put: As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.


Now if that ain't saying let the lad play I don't know what is. Neither have I written the lad off, I merely put scenarios your way as to why he ain't even making the bench now, which you seem to have bypassed.

[Derbymiller]

Derbs,
I don't think you've read my reply correctly pal. I put: As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.


Now if that ain't saying let the lad play I don't know what is. Neither have I written the lad off, I merely put scenarios your way as to why he ain't even making the bench now, which you seem to have bypassed.

Fair enough

[BenFostersGloves]

Enjoyed the day out. Very friendly locals and good pubs.

Thats how we play away from home in the main. It works. Only Birmingham really tore us open. Stevenage away we were just off it on the day and were poor.
Other games we've let the home team have the ball and we're just well organised. No doubt we'll come unstuck again away from home but more often than not it gets results.

The criticism of style of play is unfounded as its brought us huge success so far. When were on the way to getting out of the National League many other fans told us that the way we play won't work in League 2. Then last season we were told it wouldn't work in League 1.

There's an obsession with Pep G style of football and if you dare to win games any other way its somehow anti-football. Which is such a load of crap. A lot of other fans laud the way their teams play football being superior to ours whilst being permanently below us in the league.

My thoughts on you for what its worth is that you lacked firepower and a bit of brute force & **** housery up front (solved by Clarke-Harris i'd guess) and the final ball was generally off.

[Ronners]

Firstly, I thought the Wrexham fans were outstanding, noisy all the way through the match and made it a great atmosphere. Our team selection player wise looked OK, but moving Powell into Central midfield didn't make any sense as the left side of ours, this season, with Powell and James, has been our most dangerous source of attack, well it has to me anyway. I would have kept Powell out wide and left Bramall on the bench, put Mcwilliams into the midfield and used Tiehi as our central midfield link until Kelly is ready to start again. Why we kept lumping the ball up to Nombe and Wilkes looking for flick ons is another mystery, surely against their bigger defenders we should have been playing the ball into the channels for them to use their pace and turn defenders, and knowing JCH wouldn't be playing this should have been worked on in training. In a close game like this was, it just needs one moment of quality to win it, and for me it came in 17 seconds with the cross that Mullin put away, but they defended really well and whilst they aren't brilliant, they are very well drilled and will probably wonder how they didn't catch us on the break in the last 15 mins when we had to commit men forward. On my way to the ground I bumped into jocksgloves and we both said that we know we are going to concede a goal, but I'm pretty sure neither of us was expecting it to be after 17 seconds, all in all a really frustrating day for us but we move on. UTM

[caytonmiller]

Imo. Watching Wrexham was the mirror image of a old Rotherham united under Evans.
Get it forward at every chance. Close the ball down out of possession and defend well...
Today's rufc under Evans is. He's playing his best players in the wrong positions.

Formation needs to be consistent to fit the players. We have 2 wide men and once on the pitch we dominated teams and look threatening going forward.
At CB we have 2 decent players but no league one player who knows the shÃ*thousery play that league one forwards have. Is this raggett?

We need that woody style player who can dominate defenders. McCart and Humphreys can't do that