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Thread: O/T:- Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

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    ... I do love it when the anti-gov mobsters, often Remoaners, react with consternation that their views can be questioned. A spot of fun here for those who believe that their beloved EU can do no wrong. Perhaps our posters located in La Belle France would comment, since they are on the spot (guess predictions of 'nothing wrong here' could show) ...

    "Emmanuel Macron’s coronavirus vaccine rollout branded ‘biggest fiasco in medical history’
    EMMANUEL MACRON is battling a coronavirus vaccine "fiasco" as officials vow to speed up the country's jab rollout - which has so far been slow.
    By EDWARD BROWNE
    PUBLISHED: 05:45,Tue, Jan 5, 2021
    The country (France) reported 516 vaccinations in the first week the rollout was announced, according to public health data tool CovidTracker. The number is far below the tens of thousands of daily vaccinations needed for France to reach its target of one million doses administered by the end of this month.

    Martin Blachier, a French health expert and epidemiologist, went so far as to call the slow rollout “the biggest fiasco we’ve ever had in the medical world”, the BBC reports.

    French officials are claiming the delay is due to logistics, with teams being sent to care homes and also needing consent.

    However, reports are also pointing to France’s population which is described as vaccine-sceptical. The country is struggling to roll out a jab quickly. An Ipsos poll conducted late last year suggested only 40 percent of those polled planned to be vaccinated.

    A health ministry official at the time said the country was setting up for “a marathon” and not a sprint.

    Olivier Véran, France’s Minister of Health, has now claimed “several thousand people” were vaccinated against coronavirus on Monday.

    Polls suggest France's population is reluctant to take the vaccine. He added this number would increase through this week as vaccinations centres rapidly multiply.

    In addition, Government spokesman Gabriel Attal has insisted vaccination rollout will “really take off this week” and claimed 500,000 doses would be available from nearly 100 medical centres by tomorrow.

    Yesterday’s alleged figures mark an improvement from last week, though France currently remains behind other European countries such as Germany, which had vaccinated around 238,000 people as of Sunday.

    The UK also had a head-start of a few weeks compared with the rest of Europe, as Britain’s rollout of the Pfizer/BioNTech jab began on December 7.

    European nations, meanwhile, began their rollout on the weekend of December 26. According to analysts, France’s rollout woes could prove harmful for President Emmanuel Macron’s re-election prospects.

    Analysts say the vaccine rollout could affect Mr Macron's re-election. Chloé Morin, a social scientist who has worked with the French Government in the past, told European news site Politico the vaccine rollout would be “extremely symbolic” for Mr Macron and that “the stakes are very big.”

    The French president faces re-election in 2022 when the nation goes to the polls.

    The Netherlands remains the only EU country not to have started a vaccine rollout at all. The EU began its vaccine rollout in late December. The launch there had been set for January 8, though it has now been brought forward to tomorrow.

    The UK began the rollout of its second coronavirus vaccine this week – the domestically-produced Oxford/AstraZeneca jab."

    ... of course it's Daily Express print, but it's source is the BBC; so surely that cannot be questioned ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    A spot of fun here for those who believe that their beloved EU can do no wrong.
    Are there any such people? I don't remember anyone saying that ever. I said at the time of the Brexit vote that the EU were a far from perfect frequently corrupt bunch. I also said they were still a better option than the Conservative party. Nothing that has happened since has caused me to change that opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Are there any such people? I don't remember anyone saying that ever. I said at the time of the Brexit vote that the EU were a far from perfect frequently corrupt bunch. I also said they were still a better option than the Conservative party. Nothing that has happened since has caused me to change that opinion.
    Yep. Also what has France’s crappy vaccination roll out(if that’s what it is) got to do with the EU?

    The anti lockdown people are a lot like Brexiters. They accuse others of ‘loving lockdowns’ and ‘not caring about people’s livelihoods’ when of course in a pandemic there are no good options, just less bad ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanjoPie View Post
    Not necessarily, once the vaccination program is completed the chances are that R would be below 0.1 and so the unvaccinated would be very unlucky to contract the virus, so in effect, they would have considerable protection by default.
    My good lady was given the 17th of Jan as her covid jab date. She's just texted me from work and said she's just been jabanated ( I quite like that ) today, so hopefully, they are speeding things up. Mind you, if she hadn't brought it home in the bloody first place!

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    ... oh dear Snobhead 1, you are so sensitive; not often missing the point, but as usual, making your own self importance the issue.
    As for BFP, as usual, making 2+2=about 17 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... oh dear Snobhead 1, you are so sensitive; not often missing the point, but as usual, making your own self importance the issue.
    So do you think the government have handled the Covid crisis well?

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    ... don't change the subject. I was merely offering news regarding our friends vaunted handling of CV19 in their country. As for our gov handling, Mr Hindsight, time will tell when the full picture is eventually known.
    One mistake, I believe, is that instead of *****-footing about being nice to everyone, the UK should have been told that we are at war with an unseen enemy and taken all measures to prevent it. Instead of HM Forces being at the front line, this time it is the NHS and all support services. In that circumstance you also call up anyone else that can contribute, whether it's Jo Public delivering goods from A to B, or whatever. You also allow decisions to be taken to override some of the democratic niceties, as highlighted, for example, in the NHS requirement that all must pass the woke tests - the absurd PC brigade have some uses, but please ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayeayeskipper View Post
    My good lady was given the 17th of Jan as her covid jab date. She's just texted me from work and said she's just been jabanated ( I quite like that ) today, so hopefully, they are speeding things up. Mind you, if she hadn't brought it home in the bloody first place!

    My son-in-law, (paramedic) had his a couple of days ago so it looks like they're getting on with it. Bloody good job as well, where's my jabination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    As for our gov handling, Mr Hindsight, time will tell when the full picture is eventually known.
    I suppose that's as close to an admission that they've handled it badly as I'm likely to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    ... don't change the subject. I was merely offering news regarding our friends vaunted handling of CV19 in their country. As for our gov handling, Mr Hindsight, time will tell when the full picture is eventually known.
    One mistake, I believe, is that instead of *****-footing about being nice to everyone, the UK should have been told that we are at war with an unseen enemy and taken all measures to prevent it. Instead of HM Forces being at the front line, this time it is the NHS and all support services. In that circumstance you also call up anyone else that can contribute, whether it's Jo Public delivering goods from A to B, or whatever. You also allow decisions to be taken to override some of the democratic niceties, as highlighted, for example, in the NHS requirement that all must pass the woke tests - the absurd PC brigade have some uses, but please ...
    Genuine question, what are the 'woke tests'?

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