O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[andy6025]

Ah yes, Putin is an imperialist that wants to recreate the Soviet Union and declare himself tsar! We seem to be parroting western talking points.

Here’s what Putin said:

“Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.”

And then there’s former Ukrainian president Poreshenko, who in 2014 said this about the people of Donbas, whom Ukraine apparently considers to be their own people:

“We will have jobs, they have no jobs. We will have rents, they have no rents. We will have social security for pensioners and children. They have no social protection. We will have support of children and pensioners, they will not. Our children will go to schools and kindergartens, theirs are sitting in basements. Because they are incompetent. In this way we will win this war”

https://youtu.be/LeSFi7Sia1

What a way to talk about people you view as your own. Cue the western media saying it’s taken out of context, as if there is another way to interpret that.

And then, of course, there’s the language issue... forcing people to speak and publish in Ukrainian, in a country where less than 50% of the population speak exclusively Ukrainian. Even Driller has told us that some of his Ukrainian friends are forced to feel ashamed of their own native language and are scrambling to learn Ukrainian.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...in-public-life

[drillerpie]

Even Driller has told us that some of his Ukrainian friends are forced to feel ashamed of their own native language and are scrambling to learn Ukrainian

I don't know if you get a such a kick out of being provocative that it doesn't bother you if you have to lie to do so, or you are just plain retarded.

The fact that you know full well I could pull up and quote my post (#459 if anyone's bothered) about my friends in Dnipro and prove you wrong, but you went ahead wrote it anyway, makes me think it's the former, but I'm not ruling out that it could be both.

[BanjoPie]

SWALE - can we please have a button to st………

[Jampie]

I've done nothing in this thread but:

1. Repeat Kremlin propaganda
2. Argue in bad faith
3. Ignore points disproving my claims and repeat my disproven claims
4. Cherry pick sources to a ridiculous extent and never respond to any other source
5. Lie and misquote the people who engage with me

For once I agree with Andy 100% on one of his posts!

[i961pie]

For once I agree with Andy 100% on one of his posts!

Out of all the drivel he's written at last he says something sensible and true.

[i961pie]

I see Finland has joined NATO that’s pi##ed on Putins strawberries.

[Jampie]

I see Finland has joined NATO that’s pi##ed on Putins strawberries.

100% self inflicted wound there. Finland had no intention whatsoever of joining NATO until Putin invaded Ukraine (again) in feb last year.

[Old_pie]

100% self inflicted wound there. Finland had no intention whatsoever of joining NATO until Putin invaded Ukraine (again) in feb last year.

Additionally: Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark struck a deal to run their 200+ advanced fighter jets as a single fleet, creating a new headache for Russia

https://www.businessinsider.com/norw...23-3?r=US&IR=T

[keldsyke]

Looks like we could be on the verge of a Military Coup in Russia...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group has vowed to "go all the way" to topple Russia's military leadership, hours after the Kremlin accused him of "armed rebellion".

Yevgeny Prigozhin said his Wagner fighters had crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia, entering the city of Rostov-on-Don.

Mr Prigozhin said his men would destroy anyone who stood in their way.

The local governor urged citizens there to keep calm and stay indoors.

Mr Prigozhin claimed that his forces had shot down a Russian military helicopter that "opened fire on a civilian convoy". He did not give a location and the assertion could not be immediately verified.

The Wagner Group is a private army of mercenaries that has been fighting alongside the regular Russian army in Ukraine.

Tension has been growing between them over how the war has been fought, with Mr Prigozhin launching vocal criticisms of Russia's military leadership in recent months.

On Friday, the 62-year-old mercenary leader accused the military of launching a deadly missile strike on his troops and vowed to punish them. He did not provide evidence.

Authorities have denied the strike and demanded he halt his "illegal actions".

Follow live updates
What is Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries?
Mr Prigozhin said the "evil" in Russia's military leadership must be stopped and vowed to "march for justice".

"Those who killed our lads, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers [in the war in Ukraine] will be punished," he said in an audio message posted to the social media platform Telegram.

"I ask you not to resist. Anyone who does will be considered a threat and destroyed. That goes for any checkpoints and aviation on our way.

"Presidential power, the government, the police and Russian guard will work as usual.

"This is not a military coup, but a march of justice. Our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way."

Russia's President Vladimir Putin is receiving round-the-clock updates on the situation, his spokesman said.

Security in Moscow was stepped up on Friday night at prime locations in Moscow, including government buildings and transport facilities, Russia's state-owned news agency TASS said.

The governor of Russia's Lipetsk region is also asking residents not to travel south.

Lipetsk is around 280km (175 miles) north-east of the nearest Ukrainian border, and more than 500km north of Rostov.

Writing on Telegram, Igor Artamonov said security measures in the region are being tightened, with a particular focus on protecting critical infrastructure facilities.

In a tweet late on Friday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence said simply: "We are watching."

The White House said it was monitoring the situation and would consult with US allies.

Gen Sergei Surovikin, the deputy head of the Russian forces in Ukraine, whose leadership Mr Prigozhin has praised in the past, called on him to "stop the convoys and return them to their bases".

"We are of one blood, we are warriors," he said in a video. "You mustn't play into the enemy's hands at a time that is difficult for our country."

Another senior commander, Lt Gen Vladimir Alekseyev, described the Wagner chief's actions as "a stab in the back of the country and the president".

[drillerpie]

Looks like we could be on the verge of a Military Coup in Russia...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group has vowed to "go all the way" to topple Russia's military leadership, hours after the Kremlin accused him of "armed rebellion".

Yevgeny Prigozhin said his Wagner fighters had crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia, entering the city of Rostov-on-Don.

Mr Prigozhin said his men would destroy anyone who stood in their way.

The local governor urged citizens there to keep calm and stay indoors.

Mr Prigozhin claimed that his forces had shot down a Russian military helicopter that "opened fire on a civilian convoy". He did not give a location and the assertion could not be immediately verified.

The Wagner Group is a private army of mercenaries that has been fighting alongside the regular Russian army in Ukraine.

Tension has been growing between them over how the war has been fought, with Mr Prigozhin launching vocal criticisms of Russia's military leadership in recent months.

On Friday, the 62-year-old mercenary leader accused the military of launching a deadly missile strike on his troops and vowed to punish them. He did not provide evidence.

Authorities have denied the strike and demanded he halt his "illegal actions".

Follow live updates
What is Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries?
Mr Prigozhin said the "evil" in Russia's military leadership must be stopped and vowed to "march for justice".

"Those who killed our lads, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers [in the war in Ukraine] will be punished," he said in an audio message posted to the social media platform Telegram.

"I ask you not to resist. Anyone who does will be considered a threat and destroyed. That goes for any checkpoints and aviation on our way.

"Presidential power, the government, the police and Russian guard will work as usual.

"This is not a military coup, but a march of justice. Our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way."

Russia's President Vladimir Putin is receiving round-the-clock updates on the situation, his spokesman said.

Security in Moscow was stepped up on Friday night at prime locations in Moscow, including government buildings and transport facilities, Russia's state-owned news agency TASS said.

The governor of Russia's Lipetsk region is also asking residents not to travel south.

Lipetsk is around 280km (175 miles) north-east of the nearest Ukrainian border, and more than 500km north of Rostov.

Writing on Telegram, Igor Artamonov said security measures in the region are being tightened, with a particular focus on protecting critical infrastructure facilities.

In a tweet late on Friday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence said simply: "We are watching."

The White House said it was monitoring the situation and would consult with US allies.

Gen Sergei Surovikin, the deputy head of the Russian forces in Ukraine, whose leadership Mr Prigozhin has praised in the past, called on him to "stop the convoys and return them to their bases".

"We are of one blood, we are warriors," he said in a video. "You mustn't play into the enemy's hands at a time that is difficult for our country."

Another senior commander, Lt Gen Vladimir Alekseyev, described the Wagner chief's actions as "a stab in the back of the country and the president".

BBC? That is just MSM Western propaganda. I'm sure everything is actually fine. Both sides use propaganda you know. The BBC is essentially the same as Rossiya24 or Tass at the end of the day.

Russia is a totally normal country, just like the UK or US. So normal in fact we should've invited them into Nato!

Deifnitely not a backward, ultra-corrupt, hyper-nationalistic **** show which has still not come out of the feudal system, never mind the imperial age.

The invasion of Ukraine is going completely according to plan. Any day now the troop surge will allow Russia to march forward and claim a crushing victory. What's that? They're all dead? OK so the next surge then. Or perhaps the one after that. Definitely imminent Russian victory though. Any time now.