O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[seriouspie]

In a patronising way.

Naturally my son.

[jackal2]

I quite rate the talents of Dominic Cummings and I thought Boris was wrong to let him go, but it's ironic that many of the people who were telling us not to trust Cummings' version of events a year ago are now saying we should trust his interpretation entirely. I suppose it keeps Westminster Village entertained either way.

[i961pie]

I quite rate the talents of Dominic Cummings and I thought Boris was wrong to let him go, but it's ironic that many of the people who were telling us not to trust Cummings' version of events a year ago are now saying we should trust his interpretation entirely. I suppose it keeps Westminster Village entertained either way.

It depends on your political leanings what you want to believe.

[BigFatPie]

I quite rate the talents of Dominic Cummings and I thought Boris was wrong to let him go, but it's ironic that many of the people who were telling us not to trust Cummings' version of events a year ago are now saying we should trust his interpretation entirely. I suppose it keeps Westminster Village entertained either way.

Hmmm, it’s a bit like those cabinet ministers who were wheeled out a year ago to defend Dominic Cummings and his ludicrous eye testing story but are now desperately trying to discredit him with mention of the SAME INCIDENT.

I know you don’t mind politicians lying to you, and the those that are best at lying winning elections and referendums, but surely even you must have reservations about a bloke who talks about not minding ‘piles of bodies’ and also ‘forgetting’ to declare who lent him the money to do up his flat, or even that anyone lent him the money at all?

[jackal2]

Hmmm, it’s a bit like those cabinet ministers who were wheeled out a year ago to defend Dominic Cummings and his ludicrous eye testing story but are now desperately trying to discredit him with mention of the SAME INCIDENT.

I know you don’t mind politicians lying to you, and the those that are best at lying winning elections and referendums, but surely even you must have reservations about a bloke who talks about not minding ‘piles of bodies’ and also ‘forgetting’ to declare who lent him the money to do up his flat, or even that anyone lent him the money at all?

As 1961pie says above, a person’s take on these stories is likely to depend on their political leaning. I think they are ‘Westminster Village’ stories, but I can see that certain political and media elements are trying desperately hard to exaggerate them into the consciousness of a wider audience, for reasons which will be very much political rather than moral.

I do have reservations about Boris, because I prefer politicians to have more substance and ideological consistency, but those reservations don’t relate to these stories at all. I’m not going to suddenly stop voting Tory because of alleged technicalities around a flat renovation bill, or over an alleged intemperate remark in a private meeting that may or may not have been reported accurately by observers with particular grudges and motivations.

[pingu_pie]

As 1961pie says above, a person’s take on these stories is likely to depend on their political leaning. I think they are ‘Westminster Village’ stories, but I can see that certain political and media elements are trying desperately hard to exaggerate them into the consciousness of a wider audience, for reasons which will be very much political rather than moral.

I do have reservations about Boris, because I prefer politicians to have more substance and ideological consistency, but those reservations don’t relate to these stories at all. I’m not going to suddenly stop voting Tory because of alleged technicalities around a flat renovation bill, or over an alleged intemperate remark in a private meeting that may or may not have been reported accurately by observers with particular grudges and motivations.

I get that ideologically you and I (maybe should substitute me with other leftists who post more often) are opposites, so we will likely never see most things through the same lens. However, regarding Johnson specifically, I cannot see what he has ever done politically that would make anyone want to support him.

The list of absolute idiocy that he has performed is ridiculously long, before he even got to number 10. I am yet to hear someone list something that he did - specifically him, his decision - that has provided an actual public service success. End of the day, politicians are there to serve and represent us, right? All I ever get when I ask this is "Got Brexit done", and if you count that, then, well...

Genuine question. What has he done?

PS. Second genuine question - why can't I hear Charlie and Stall on the website yet? I have a Tuesday night waiting to be ruined!!

[jackal2]

I get that ideologically you and I (maybe should substitute me with other leftists who post more often) are opposites, so we will likely never see most things through the same lens. However, regarding Johnson specifically, I cannot see what he has ever done politically that would make anyone want to support him.

Genuine question. What has he done?

He's done the thing that's most difficult to do. He's won two Mayoral elections in London, a hugely significant referendum, and a General Election.

That might sound like a sarcastic or trite response, but it genuinely isn't meant to be. Ask any political party or politician and this is the 'achievement' they crave more than any other. It's essential in order to get into a position to achieve anything else, irrespective of whether you go on to do something or nothing.

As I intimated above, Boris for me lacks a strong ideology and frequently during his career has flipped from one position to another. Many would indeed list "Getting Brexit done" as his single biggest achievement, but let's not forget he only decided which side of the argument he was going to support at the very last minute. But maybe therein lies his talent - when he decided to join the 'Leave' campaign it was seen as a massive boost for the 'Leave' side, and the final outcome only added to his reputation for either being or backing the winner. And by doing so, he effectively ended a historic rift in the Conservative Party and restored them as the only significant party on the right of British politics after years of infighting, and losing votes to UKIP/Brexit Party.

I think it was Jacob Rees-Mogg who described Boris as having that bit of electoral gold-dust that all politicians seek but many fail to ever master, and if you've got it, and have proved it repeatedly as Boris has to date, then all other skills/talents/achievements (or lack of them) are secondary considerations. I don't say this to blow smoke up Boris' ass, because I prefer politicians with more deep-rooted convictions, but his success in significant elections can't really be disputed. For a long time, Labour had something similar in Tony Blair, and that was equally baffling to some, but he put three General Election wins in the history books.

[BanjoPie]

I think the problem is that whilst Boris and his tories cronies are thought of by the general public as being crap - Starmer and his mob are seen as weak opposition who couldn’t run a piss-up in a brothel so to speak.

[BigFatPie]

I think the problem is that whilst Boris and his tories cronies are thought of by the general public as being crap - Starmer and his mob are seen as weak opposition who couldn’t run a piss-up in a brothel so to speak.

Never been to a piss up in a brothel but I’d like to.

[lunaspie]

Never been to a piss up in a brothel but I’d like to.

The best-selling cocktails are Harvey Whorebangers and Screaming Orgasms.