OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Being serious though, nothing wrong with him or anyone doing so, likewise nothing wrong with responses along the lines of ‘it happened, suck it up and move on’

On a related subject, and you brought it up, my U.K. to Greece cross border experience was: delay in U.K. 35 mins due to the impact of Islamic terrorism, maybe 5 minutes of that due to an audit going on. 0 mins due to Brexit. Delay in Greece 0, in fact they didn’t even look at our passports. Delays within Greece (another scare story in the papers last week suggested all sorts of restrictions for brits) - 0

Aye "suck it up", so as we head deeper and deeper into the ****e, the Faber response to metaphorically going over a cliff is - "suck it upwe are only going to die, what are you moaning about"! Yep that makes sense.

No sire, after all the bollox talked by brexiteers about the sunlit uplands of Brexit, how we would have basically the same benefits outside the EU as in it etc. etc. those of us will keep ramming back down those pillocks throats how virtually everything that was said would impact negatively due to Brexit is or has happened.

Because eventually, when the full impact is affecting everybody then the process of at the very least getting back in the customs union and the single market will begin. That tide is turning every day, partly because those old gammons who voted leave are slowly departing this earth and partly because even for those wedded to the Brexit ideology have to face facts!

If Truss baby wants growth, re-joining the single market and customs union would be a very good start.

[MadAmster]

Your point is pointless, the ONS ahve just published or had when I posted, so yes the numbers ahve been around a while, but the oNS confirming them is news. But hey why worry eh?

Who said anything about "not worrying"? I merely pointed out that the figures were already well known so not news, which it wasn't. the only "newsy" bit was ONS confirming what was already out there from many a qualified source.

[Andy_Faber]

Aye "suck it up", so as we head deeper and deeper into the ****e, the Faber response to metaphorically going over a cliff is - "suck it upwe are only going to die, what are you moaning about"! Yep that makes sense.

No sire, after all the bollox talked by brexiteers about the sunlit uplands of Brexit, how we would have basically the same benefits outside the EU as in it etc. etc. those of us will keep ramming back down those pillocks throats how virtually everything that was said would impact negatively due to Brexit is or has happened.

Because eventually, when the full impact is affecting everybody then the process of at the very least getting back in the customs union and the single market will begin. That tide is turning every day, partly because those old gammons who voted leave are slowly departing this earth and partly because even for those wedded to the Brexit ideology have to face facts!

If Truss baby wants growth, re-joining the single market and customs union would be a very good start.

you're really upset about this Brexit thing aren't you?

[ramAnag]

you're really upset about this Brexit thing aren't you?

...and you, as ever, are either in denial, burying your head in the sand or earning your living as a currency speculator.

[Andy_Faber]

...and you, as ever, are either in denial, burying your head in the sand or earning your living as a currency speculator.

…but which one?

[ramAnag]

…but which one?

Who knows? Whichever it is you seem quite incapable of reading the writing on the wall as far as the impact of Brexit and a Brexiteer PM on our country are concerned.

[swaledale]

For Liz Truss and her government, post-Brexit politics is proving to be impossible. They want life outside the EU to mean small state, low tax economics, public spending cuts and a smaller welfare state – which is not what millions of leave supporters thought they were voting for in the 2016 referendum, nor what the Tories offered in the two elections that followed.

Meanwhile, Brexit’s endless constraints in pursuit of growth threatens to tie the government in knots.

Then you have that daughter of an economic migrant Suella Braverman, a classic example of modern Conservatism’s nastiness and introversion, says she wants to cut net migration to “tens of thousands” and dreaming of a plane taking asylum seekers to Rwanda!!


At the same time, the penny has struck the government, that growth without people to do the work is impossible so it wants to liberalise the UK’s immigration system, (Mr Spoons himself has been clamouring for this ironically!) and send a certain kind of Brexit voter into paroxysms of fury. Especially as we seem to be replacing immigration from the EU, with immigration from the rest of the world!

The absurd logic of Truss and her allies’ position cannot hold: as the Brexit revolution that upturned Conservative politics and brought them to power unravels, the reason for their success is also why they will fail. Brexiteers have been lucky in that Covid and now the war in Ukraine has masked some of the effects of Brexit, though the effects of both have been worse due to Brexit, and provided a useful smokescreen to distract what is really happening from the 17 million odd who voted for it.

Some good news though, the UK can now sell lamb to the USA, a country that predominantly eats beef! So we buy lamb from New Zealand (as part of the new trade deal) and can sell ours to the USA. Mm that makes complete sense on both an economic and carbon saving level!!

[swaledale]

Who said anything about "not worrying"? I merely pointed out that the figures were already well known so not news, which it wasn't. the only "newsy" bit was ONS confirming what was already out there from many a qualified source.

As I said previously your post was pointless - of course its "news" when the governments own figures confirm Brexit is causing economic damage to the UK. previously they were able (as were Brexit supporters) that this was the case arguing that the statistics were either false or misinterpreted!

[swaledale]

you're really upset about this Brexit thing aren't you?

Well when you see a country basically shooting itself in the foot for no reason and in doing so negatively affecting its citizens, then yes it is upsetting.

But I could have lived with leaving the EU, IF we'd stayed within the Customs Union and single market. Given there was no overwhelming mandate for Brexit, then a hard Brexit was neither democratic or warranted.

[swaledale]

The scens of chaos and division within the Tory party are the inevitable result of the decision to leave the EU. Since the referendum, British governments have demonstrated, with ever greater talent, that Brexit only takes the UK further away from the promised land of recovered sovereignty and untrammelled freedom, as each promise, each lie is shown to be undeliverable, the smoke screen of Covid and then the war in Ukraine cannot hide what an absolute **** show it is.

As the economy tanks much more than it would ahve done without Brexit, never mind Truss' fantasy economic experiment, all those who voted for Brexit can now congratulate themselves on having achieved a country, which is poorer by around £400 million per week and counting, is now contemplating allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants from outside the EU, to replace those from the EU in order to provide the workforce ***** for growth.

When they look, future historians would find the roots of British politics’ “current insanity” in 2016, Because Brexit has damaged the UK economy so lastingly that any extra market uncertainty leads to far greater turbulence than ever before.

Still at least we all have blue ****ing passports!!