O/T Democracy

[BigLadonOS]

Biglad, Cummings is running the show. Everything Johnson is saying has been tested with the tory base who they are worried will vote for the brexit party. They are not in the slightest bit interested in attracting the centre like Cameron and May. I had no problem at all with the attorney general, he was feisty and combative, he criticized the opposition and the parliament itself as he should he is a tory minister but Johnson went much further. If you look back at Johnson's speeches over the past 15 years he never spoke like this before and he never spoke like this during the leadership campaign.

So your saying that Cummings new that Jo Cox was going to be held up as an example for the Labour party and told Boris what to say about it? You are on cloud nine mate.

So your saying that everything that Corbyn is saying and doing is not a strategy either. Unreal.

[Exiletyke]

I could not give a flying *** what you or anyone else thinks mate because I know what I said even if you dont.

I think you obviously do give a flying **** what others think. Why else do you feel the need to constantly repeat it?

[tony260674]

Biglad, Boris has never been a confrontational politician, now all of a sudden he is?? It isn't always going to be specific words and 'Humbug' is very much Boris but he is being led down that path.
As for Corbyn, as I pointed out, I don't like Corbyn and won't vote Labour whilst he is leader. He is irrelevant in many ways and we'll all be much better when he is gone.

[BigLadonOS]

I think you obviously do give a flying **** what others think. Why else do you feel the need to constantly repeat it?

Because I used it as an example. However you used it to bring it out in the open again with your "Continuing to say it BL doesn't make it true, much as you would like it to" which makes me think that keep bringing it because you believe the more you say it does make it true.

A bit of your own advise here pal. Just because you keep saying it isn't true does not make you right no matter how many times you say it is and no matter how much you want it to be true. Nuff said I think.

[BigLadonOS]

Biglad, Boris has never been a confrontational politician, now all of a sudden he is?? It isn't always going to be specific words and 'Humbug' is very much Boris but he is being led down that path.
As for Corbyn, as I pointed out, I don't like Corbyn and won't vote Labour whilst he is leader. He is irrelevant in many ways and we'll all be much better when he is gone.

Are you for real? He has almost everyone outside the Cons party doing everything they can to stop him doing what he wants to do in Parliament with people consistently calling him a liar and blocking him at ever juncture and you think he does not have the right to fight fire with fire.

[tony260674]

Are you for real? He has almost everyone outside the Cons party doing everything they can to stop him doing what he wants to do in Parliament with people consistently calling him a liar and blocking him at ever juncture and you think he does not have the right to fight fire with fire.

That's how Parliament works when you don't have a majority. MP's have more power because their vote is important. Boris has lost every vote he has had in the commons but every one was close. This is an emotional subject and we clearly disagree but I think there is a middle way and all the party leaders should do what they can to find it.

[gm_gm]

That's how Parliament works when you don't have a majority. MP's have more power because their vote is important. Boris has lost every vote he has had in the commons but every one was close. This is an emotional subject and we clearly disagree but I think there is a middle way and all the party leaders should do what they can to find it.

No there isnt Tony and thats the problem. you fall into one of two camps, 1) Remoaning loser who cant let go of global corporatism or 2) You are a thick northern Tw@t who doesnt know what you voted for

trying to find the middle ground wont be easy...an election however could wipe out 220 @rsewipes and we could move on, but the cowardly communist is scared to death

[BigLadonOS]

That's how Parliament works when you don't have a majority. MP's have more power because their vote is important. Boris has lost every vote he has had in the commons but every one was close. This is an emotional subject and we clearly disagree but I think there is a middle way and all the party leaders should do what they can to find it.

It all depends on how you see Brexit.

[tony260674]

No there isnt Tony and thats the problem. you fall into one of two camps, 1) Remoaning loser who cant let go of global corporatism or 2) You are a thick northern Tw@t who doesnt know what you voted for

trying to find the middle ground wont be easy...an election however could wipe out 220 @rsewipes and we could move on, but the cowardly communist is scared to death

I am neither of those things Glyn, I have already stated that the vote should be respected but it needed to be done in a way that brought the country together. As things have gone, this issue will divide the country for a generation and that benefits no-one.
I'm sure their will be a general election soon but I'm not convinced it will make a huge amount of difference. People will vote on brexit lines so the tories/brexit will get half the votes and the other 'less enthusiastic' brexit parties will get the other half. I doubt anyone will get a majority.

[animallittle3]

Have you read Skinners book Sailing Close to the Wind? Read it about a year ago - very good read.

Yes WanChai I had it bought for xmas a few years back and thoroughly enjoyed it .

I respect Dennis Skinner enormously .