O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[swaledale]

I think you'll find that Scotland tallies the addiction figures differently. Included in their drug addict numbers are all those addicted to legal prescription drugs. I believe no other country includes those figures.

Jeez did you have to quote so I can read the deranged one from Notts ramblings?

As usual he has missed the point, I wasn't slapping Sturgeon on the back, I was pointing out that despite matters being no better she has retained credibility. Despite what he says she has managed a better message from what I've seen and more importantly the voters think so to!

Also why so uppity about a leader advocating independence, thought Brexit was all about "taking back Control", IF the Scot's want to do this then thats up to them surely?

Not that anyone gives a **** what Thicky supposedly "thinks"

[Andy_Faber]

Jeez did you have to quote so I can read the deranged one from Notts ramblings?

As usual he has missed the point, I wasn't slapping Sturgeon on the back, I was pointing out that despite matters being no better she has retained credibility. Despite what he says she has managed a better message from what I've seen and more importantly the voters think so to!

Also why so uppity about a leader advocating independence, thought Brexit was all about "taking back Control", IF the Scot's want to do this then thats up to them surely?

Not that anyone gives a **** what Thicky supposedly "thinks"

I think you might be observing from too far away, and through the lens of a biased UK media, when you talk of credibility. The debate (about Sturgeon as a person and independance as an issue) in the actual country where this matters rages more deeply than Brexit, and its VERY factionalised - I personally don't know anyone (who would be eligible to vote) who would vote for independance, and through Mrs F's family that's a LOT of people. Of course I know that's not representative, its part of a faction/bubble, there are many many others with views both ways. One thing that most appear to want though, is a clear idea of the 'deal' they would be voting for, BEFORE they voted, ie what SHOULD have happened with the EU referendum.

[swaledale]

I think you might be observing from too far away, and through the lens of a biased UK media, when you talk of credibility. The debate (about Sturgeon as a person and independance as an issue) in the actual country where this matters rages more deeply than Brexit, and its VERY factionalised - I personally don't know anyone (who would be eligible to vote) who would vote for independance, and through Mrs F's family that's a LOT of people. Of course I know that's not representative, its part of a faction/bubble, there are many many others with views both ways. One thing that most appear to want though, is a clear idea of the 'deal' they would be voting for, BEFORE they voted, ie what SHOULD have happened with the EU referendum.

I actually have Scottish routes and many relatives in the North, so my prism is like yours reflected in their views, I'd say it was 50-50, but overall Sturgeon has high approval ratings from the lectorate, but then when has anyone's personal experiences tallied with polls?

Approving of how she has managed the Covid situation and wanting independence are two very different things but the point I was making why would an English person give a flying **** about it? If Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland want to go their own way, thats fine by me, self determination and all that!

My objection to Brexit, was not on the principle of leaving, but more leaving the single market and customs union which was madness!

[swaledale]

I don't think there is any danger of a UK government giving the Scots a "soft" independence! Sure go your own way, but don't expect to retain the ebenfits of the Union unless they are mutually beneficial!

I was rather referring to our overexcited "friend" from Notts who seemed to have got a stiffy over Nicola without cause.

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't think there is any danger of a UK government giving the Scots a "soft" independence! Sure go your own way, but don't expect to retain the ebenfits of the Union unless they are mutually beneficial!

I was rather referring to our overexcited "friend" from Notts who seemed to have got a stiffy over Nicola without cause.

He pretends to ignore, but furiously thrashing under the bed clothes at night.
Busted

[Andy_Faber]

https://foxhole.news/2021/01/26/eu-t...yDeQe-inDfR6sQ

I wouldn’t especially trust Foxhole’s spin but the facts are correct, EU are getting a bit nasty on this one.

[ramAnag]

I wouldn’t especially trust Foxhole’s spin...

Really? Lol...congratulations Andrew...you win the understatement of the day award...and it’s still not 10.00 am.

[Trickytreesreds]

I wouldn’t especially trust Foxhole’s spin but the facts are correct, EU are getting a bit nasty on this one.

Whatever spin you put on it, it's another dig and another example of EU bullying.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...izer-0mxxv3xbj

The German press spreading lies about the Oxford vaccine as well. The new China

[ramAnag]

Putting the words of ‘The Times’ another way...those who maintain their ‘club’ membership contributions will continue to receive benefits. Those who don’t will have to take their chance. Big surprise!

I used to have several DCFC season tickets...getting prime match tickets was never a problem. Circumstances change and now I don’t it’s harder...which bit of that do Times readers not understand?

P.S. Which insightful Government minister commented yesterday...’The best way to tackle this virus is to avoid contracting it in the first place’? NSS!

[swaledale]

Putting the words of ‘The Times’ another way...those who maintain their ‘club’ membership contributions will continue to receive benefits. Those who don’t will have to take their chance. Big surprise!

I used to have several DCFC season tickets...getting prime match tickets was never a problem. Circumstances change and now I don’t it’s harder...which bit of that do Times readers not understand?

P.S. Which insightful Government minister commented yesterday...’The best way to tackle this virus is to avoid contracting it in the first place’? NSS!

Ah you mean Therese Coffey's interview yesterday morning, when she claimed “the best way to tackle this virus is to avoid contracting it in the first place�

Then went on to say, It was because we had an ageing population and an obesity crisis. So it was basically our own fault and we had it coming. We were living far too long and eating far too much. If only we had all died younger or half-starved to death, then all of this could have been avoided. The humanity in her response was touching!

I'm a bit surprised the arch Brexiteers on here haven't been losing their **** over the alleged aim by the EU to block export of the vaccine! Even the Guardian seems to have swallowed the hysteria over this non fact!

Which when you delve a bit deeper is only the Eu reacting to the delay in production of vaccine they have ordered requesting the companies involved demonstrating transparency over exports to ensure they are not exporting vaccine which should be part of the EU order. Seems reasonable to me and what the Uk government would require in similar circumstances.

That doesn't by the way overlook the fact that the EU clearly hasn't done too well on this issue.