Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

The Covid Inquiry wasn't requested by HMG and there would almost certainly have been one even if HMG's actions had been more successful. HMG's only involvement is to agree to hold such an inquiry, and I can picture the massive outcry (prob from yourself!) if no such inquiry ha been agreed to. The setting up of the inquiry including its approach and team are then actioned independantly of HMG under an act of parliament I can't recall. If you aren't happy with the amount spent, lobby your local MP and good luck, but this one isn't down to HMG

Regarding Rwanda being a 'waste'. I'd describe the money as 'so far invested' until its proved to be a failure. It may well be, but you intimated the same about Paul Warne and we are now 5 wins out of 6

Rawanda is a dead cat to distract from the chaos! Its limited in numbers less than 300, so will hardly dent the figures in the unlikely event it does happen, but in fact, it won't, unless the Tories go full fascist and ignore international law and the ECHR, this new legislation is utterly pointless - any such deportation will be subject to legal challenge.

The notion that a government should be free of the rule of law, is completely contradictory to the way the unwritten constitution works, the courts and judges are independent of parliament and are there precisely to restrict any action which is unlawful.

Sunak is being disingenuous in claiming that this will either "stop the boats" or resolve the issue. Meanwhile 17,000 asylum seekers have just disappeared!!

There is an easy and simple way to stop the boats, but clearly this bunch of numpties think their catastrophic mishandling of immigration and asylum claims which is costing the tax payers millions is somehow worthwhile.

[ramAnag]

Totally agree about the ‘dead cat’ aspect...but it’ not a £140m strategy. They’ve just discovered a further £100m that’s, carelessly, found its way to Rwanda...so £240m and counting!

[MadAmster]

Rawanda is a dead cat to distract from the chaos! Its limited in numbers less than 300, so will hardly dent the figures in the unlikely event it does happen, but in fact, it won't, unless the Tories go full fascist and ignore international law and the ECHR, this new legislation is utterly pointless - any such deportation will be subject to legal challenge.

The notion that a government should be free of the rule of law, is completely contradictory to the way the unwritten constitution works, the courts and judges are independent of parliament and are there precisely to restrict any action which is unlawful.

Sunak is being disingenuous in claiming that this will either "stop the boats" or resolve the issue. Meanwhile 17,000 asylum seekers have just disappeared!!

There is an easy and simple way to stop the boats, but clearly this bunch of numpties think their catastrophic mishandling of immigration and asylum claims which is costing the tax payers millions is somehow worthwhile.

Schrodinger's cat?

HMG is attempting to pull the very expensive wool over people's eyes. A quarter of a billion and counting...

[Andy_Faber]

There is an easy and simple way to stop the boats, .

Explain

[MadAmster]

Totally agree about the ‘dead cat’ aspect...but it’ not a £140m strategy. They’ve just discovered a further £100m that’s, carelessly, found its way to Rwanda...so £240m and counting!

As the Rwanda "thing" is based on 200 to 300 asylum seekers, if they ever ship the full 300 out that's £833K per asylum seeker. based on 1/4 billion total cost.. So much for the fiscal safety of the Toraidh.

[ramAnag]

As the Rwanda "thing" is based on 200 to 300 asylum seekers, if they ever ship the full 300 out that's £833K per asylum seeker. based on 1/4 billion total cost.. So much for the fiscal safety of the Toraidh.

Indeed!

I think more reasonable methods of ‘stopping the boats’ has been touched on many times, AF...most recently by MA in post 823.

[MadAmster]

Indeed!

I think more reasonable methods of ‘stopping the boats’ has been touched on many times, AF...most recently by MA in post 823.

Ta for the mention rA but I've got used to no bugger listening

[Geoff Parkstone]

What was that MA?

[swaledale]

Explain

Go back to the cooperation we had with France re security and processing Asylum claims in France prior to Brexit. The only reason there are boat crossings is that the UK government have deliberately stopped all legal routes to claim asylum and have not negotiated a continuation of the pre Brexit agreement with the EU and France because of their anti EU ideology.

They somehow think that ignoring Asylum seekers will make them magically go away, the policy their pursuing won't deter any from making the crossing, I mean if they can lose 17,000 already here what are the odds they will actually not lose most of those coming across.

There were virtually no boat crossings before Brexit, precisely because there were legal routes to claim asylum. Asylum seekers make up a fraction of migrants coming into the country, but somehow removing human rights for everyone is a sensible solution to a problem that could be resolved quite easily.

For those that sat why should the Uk take any asylum seekers, the answer is simple, we are signed up to the international convention and should abide by it, we take less than other countries in any case and If the government actually invested in services instead of cutting them, there wouldn't be an issue.

[Geoff Parkstone]

How much of a tax hike would you be prepared to accept to get this and the most other ills you blame on the tories to be fixed. Serious question.

As an old relatively well to do pension aged person, it's perhaps easy for you to be blase and throw cash at these problems - but for the man in the street with inflation cutting disposable income it's not so easy to take further cuts in disposable income, especially for something that's pretty low on your personal priorities for UK plc.

And the answer is not to jack up wages effectively making businesses pay for the tax cuts. They are still fragile post brexit and COVID, and need space to continue the rebuild. And it would simply push inflation harder and cost jobs as businesses fail or relocate.

I agree precious funds have been wasted and continue to be wasted but the boat people problem cannot be solved from existing resources in a depleted economy. It doesn't matter who you blame for the economic woes, if there aren't resources, depending must fall and low priority issues will get neglected