Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

Agreeing totally. The ‘economic benefit of immigration’ is, overall, a fallacy, pushed by those who don’t understand the economics or chose to ignore them

Mm I do think that making such a simplistic statement about a complicated matter which you clearly don't fully understand is just making yourself look foolish. There are many benefits and admittedly some downsides to immigration, but taking simple demographics into account, by and large immigration is compensating for the low birth rate which under the current economic model, which you and GP seem to subscribe to, is rather important for it to work.

Immigration has also made a net positive fiscal contribution to the UK, i.e. immigrants contribute more than they remove.


On the question of Asylum seekers, they represent a tiny proportion of all immigration, if your proud of lacking empathy and expressing bigoted and inhumane views, then in my eyes your a ****!

[Geoff Parkstone]

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"Exactly where is the sense in flooding more and more people in for negative benefit, which ultimately makes everyone poorer?"

Here is the flaw in the above. Yes short term the he indigenous population will be "poorer", but those incomers will become massively better off so not everyone can or does lose. The wealthy (or comparatively wealthy,) lose and the impoverished gain.

The benefits for all may be better seen for later generations - we have declining birth rates and lengthening life expectancies. We will need people of whatever hue to address the consequences of this, most notably in terms of tax take and pension funding. See Japan and Germany as early recognisers of the problem.

Immigration is a possible fix for this but it does need control as the ringing in too many people into the economy can be negative in terms of resources crowding / overwhelming eg hospitals, education, housing, green space etc. The planet is overpopulated as a whole, bring back the pandemic?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Oops that was a quote from TTR and not rA

[ramAnag]

Oops that was a quote from TTR and not rA

Good God…I have never felt so insulted in my life!

[Trickytreesreds]

Good God…I have never felt so insulted in my life!

go out more, it'll even out

[ramAnag]

go out more, it'll even out

Lol…tap in…but you took it well.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I really don’t know what the acceptable alternative is and it doesn’t seem to have worked out too badly for Australia and the USA.

I'm not sure the Abos or Redskins, as indigenous populace, respectively, would agree....

[ramAnag]

I'm not sure the Abos or Redskins, as indigenous populace, respectively, would agree....

It was a tongue in cheek comment and - although I might have worded it differently - I entirely agree, but the point was that two of the wealthiest and most successful nations on earth have been built virtually entirely on immigrants.

[Trickytreesreds]

It was a tongue in cheek comment and - although I might have worded it differently - I entirely agree, but the point was that two of the wealthiest and most successful nations on earth have been built virtually entirely on immigrants.

mmmmmmmmmm, morally wrong for the natives, but both areas were virtually empty and colonisation ensued.
I don't think Europe and the UK is exactly a comparison, seeing as 745 million live here
So how many is enough? When the economy collapses or fighting breaks out?

[ramAnag]

mmmmmmmmmm, morally wrong for the natives, but both areas were virtually empty and colonisation ensued.
I don't think Europe and the UK is exactly a comparison, seeing as 745 million live here
So how many is enough? When the economy collapses or fighting breaks out?

I’m not sure which part of ‘it was a tongue in cheek comment’ you missed.
I’m also not sure, given the plans you’ve told us all about, whether it will be you or your intended who will be labelled by your dreaded ‘i - word’ in the not too distant future.

Beyond that, I don’t see the ‘migrant crisis’ disappearing any time soon. As a result of all the conflict, corrupt government and climate crisis issues in the world I imagine there are going to be a great many more displaced and dispossessed people.

Rather than adopt your ‘drawbridge’ mentality I believe we need to track down the loathsome people smugglers and act together to create some plan/formula via some ‘joined up’ thought from the wealthier countries in the world. That’s been made a little harder - in Western Europe at least - by Brexit, but it’s still possible. You and I differ…probably irrevocably. It’s an immensely difficult situation but a little compassion on your part and from those you support wouldn’t go amiss…imo.