O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[TheBlackHorse]

... so right BFP. The notion that Russia does anything in good faith and that Trumpy sees anything but $$$$$$$$$ would be laughable if even half true...

[BigFatPie]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

The Black Sea is of course an area where Ukraine has had success with drone strikes on Russian shipping. What exactly is Russia giving up for the lifting of those sanctions?

Trumps top men no doubt let Putin know of their negotiating position on a social media chat group.

[Elite_Pie]

Trump boldly said he would "stop the war in 24 hours" if he was elected.

Instead he's looking weaker by the day, Putin has him hanging by his bollox.

[Jampie]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

The Black Sea is of course an area where Ukraine has had success with drone strikes on Russian shipping. What exactly is Russia giving up for the lifting of those sanctions?

Trumps top men no doubt let Putin know of their negotiating position on a social media chat group.

Basically this.

How can you have a ceasefire between two belligerents in one sector but not others. And if you do, ask who benefits? In this case Russia (shocking, I know). The black sea has been a disaster zone for them throughout the war. This whole thing still looks like a farce to me, one that benefits Putin and nobody else.

[andy6025]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

Were you hoping the west would renege on their end of the deal and once Ukrainian shipping resumes they would all declare, ha ha Russia the joke is on you?

[i961pie]

Trump boldly said he would "stop the war in 24 hours" if he was elected.

Instead he's looking weaker by the day, Putin has him hanging by his bollox.

Agree and he's also makes himself look a tw@t with his sanctions? He's says one day it's 25% sanctions
then the next day he will freeze them for a month and then some one upsets him and it's 50%. God help America and the world. They are becoming the most hated country on the planet. Mind you Russia loves him so that's ok.

[andy6025]

Basically this.

How can you have a ceasefire between two belligerents in one sector but not others. And if you do, ask who benefits? In this case Russia (shocking, I know). The black sea has been a disaster zone for them throughout the war. This whole thing still looks like a farce to me, one that benefits Putin and nobody else.

Does the world, including the global south, not benefit from increased food and fertilizer exports from Russia and Ukraine?

[Jampie]

Does the world, including the global south, not benefit from increased food and fertilizer exports from Russia and Ukraine?

Speaking solely about the two sides of the war, a ceasefire in the black sea benefits putin a lot more than it benefits Ukraine. Putin using global food supplies for his own gain is very much in character and he's done it throughout the war.

If he was serious about peace, an agreement across all fronts would be reachable. I mean ultimately Russia could've had peace at any time since Feb 2022 - just pack up and go the hell home.

[andy6025]

Speaking solely about the two sides of the war, a ceasefire in the black sea benefits putin a lot more than it benefits Ukraine. Putin using global food supplies for his own gain is very much in character and he's done it throughout the war.

If he was serious about peace, an agreement across all fronts would be reachable. I mean ultimately Russia could've had peace at any time since Feb 2022 - just pack up and go the hell home.

Ukraine does not have to agree to the Black Sea cease fire deal if they think it is unbalanced.

As for Russia achieving the peace they so desire by simply packing up and going home, so too could Ukraine achieve peace by submitting to the Russian conditions. Is that not acceptable? Oh, what a surprise. The Ukrainians must be evil war mongers.

Stop being childish. Every school boy knows that there are necessary conditions for each side to accept before peace can be reached. If you cannot understand that then you truly belong on the short bus.

[SwalePie]

Ukraine does not have to agree to the Black Sea cease fire deal if they think it is unbalanced.

As for Russia achieving the peace they so desire by simply packing up and going home, so too could Ukraine achieve peace by submitting to the Russian conditions. Is that not acceptable? Oh, what a surprise. The Ukrainians must be evil war mongers.

Stop being childish. Every school boy knows that there are necessary conditions for each side to accept before peace can be reached. If you cannot understand that then you truly belong on the short bus.

Ukraine had already agreed to the Black Sea Ceasefire deal, as had Russia. Russia then decide to append various conditions which were not in the originally agreed deal, causing it to become unbalanced after the fact.