O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[swaledale]

Putting the words of ‘The Times’ another way...those who maintain their ‘club’ membership contributions will continue to receive benefits. Those who don’t will have to take their chance. Big surprise!

I used to have several DCFC season tickets...getting prime match tickets was never a problem. Circumstances change and now I don’t it’s harder...which bit of that do Times readers not understand?

P.S. Which insightful Government minister commented yesterday...’The best way to tackle this virus is to avoid contracting it in the first place’? NSS!

I ahve to admit regarding DCFC rA, that I was not impressed when the benefits of being a ST holder, where on paid a not unsubstantial amount of cash up front, were removed and you had to pay a membership fee instead and this was available to non ST holders. That didn't reward loyalty and a season ort wo afterwards I cancelled my ST, not just because of that but it had a bearing on my decision.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Whatever spin you put on it, it's another dig and another example of EU bullying.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...izer-0mxxv3xbj

The German press spreading lies about the Oxford vaccine as well. The new China

That's OK, all the more for us then of they don.t want it

[swaledale]

That's OK, all the more for us then of they don.t want it

Oh FFS! I've just read another of Thicky's gibberish! Bullying? How? As if the UK or any other country wouldn't want to ensure that the companies were being transparent and not profiteering, bloody hell Thicky on the side of Big Pharma, thats a turn up for the book. I guess only governments attract his ire, because big corporations are so altruistic!!

The only spin here is that the EU is actually "blocking exports" they aren't and actually can't unless the company concerned have breached a contract!

Thats not to say the Eu haven't ****ed up, but hey the UK never does obviously!

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh FFS! I've just read another of Thicky's gibberish! Bullying? How? As if the UK or any other country wouldn't want to ensure that the companies were being transparent and not profiteering, bloody hell Thicky on the side of Big Pharma, thats a turn up for the book. I guess only governments attract his ire, because big corporations are so altruistic!!

The only spin here is that the EU is actually "blocking exports" they aren't and actually can't unless the company concerned have breached a contract!

Thats not to say the Eu haven't ****ed up, but hey the UK never does obviously!

And breathe .........................

Cardiac on the way I think.

Actually, it is. Does the EU have the right to interfere in a private company?
If we had done the same with the Oxford vccine, the snow flakes in here and the country would have gone ballistic, accusing us of flexing our imperialistic muscles and upsetting the world.
Funny as ****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSFt...nnel=talkRADIO

[swaledale]

I wouldn’t especially trust Foxhole’s spin but the facts are correct, EU are getting a bit nasty on this one.

Really? Are they not just asking the companies involved to be transparent over any exports so that they can be assured the vaccine they ordered isn't been sold elsewhere? Seems reasonable to me, though the EU have clearly ****ed up here.

[Andy_Faber]

Really? Are they not just asking the companies involved to be transparent over any exports so that they can be assured the vaccine they ordered isn't been sold elsewhere? Seems reasonable to me, though the EU have clearly ****ed up here.

The naive/Extreme EUphiles would think that and that alone, the more cynical might have a suspicion that the EU intend to bring their unparalleled skill of death by paperwork to bear and cause the Pfizer supply line to be redirected just to avoid spoilage. Maybe the true story is somewhere in between.

I think everyone, EU big shots included, agree with your last statement, and I actually don’t rejoice in it because this is peoples lives we are talking about

[swaledale]

The naive/Extreme EUphiles would think that and that alone, the more cynical might have a suspicion that the EU intend to bring their unparalleled skill of death by paperwork to bear and cause the Pfizer supply line to be redirected just to avoid spoilage. Maybe the true story is somewhere in between.

I think everyone, EU big shots included, agree with your last statement, and I actually don’t rejoice in it because this is peoples lives we are talking about

Looking more deeper in it, Germany, France and the Netherlands had agreed a deal with Astra-Zeneca last June about a month after the UK, then the EU intervened and wanted to do it as an EU wide deal, which would have been fine but then apparently took another two months to reach an agreement, despite not actually altering the original deal!

AS a result, Astra Zenica couldn't finalise their other production facilities required to produce the EU order. Having seen that snafu, Germany went off and did their own deal anyway in September.

As the guy from Astra-Zenica has said, the problems stem from the EU's delay and the only reason they are making a fuss now is to cover their own **** up! But despite the hysterical coverage there is no prospect of the EU blocking exports. Sounds to me like the typical blame game when a cock up is made, politicians as usual making a noise, and saying things they can't enforce to create a distraction.

However, all in all its not going to make much difference on timescales long term, with the EU being around 6 weeks behind the UK.

[ramAnag]

Not really speaking up for DCFC, Swale. Just making the point that membership of all organisations comes with certain benefits and I’m always surprised when people appear dismayed that giving up membership equals loss of those benefits.

Thought you’d have got the Minister...here’s another clue...as someone who is noticeably older and fatter than most, he/she then proceeded to lay blame for the UK pandemic figures at the fact that we have an ageing population and an obesity crisis.

[swaledale]

Not really speaking up for DCFC, Swale. Just making the point that membership of all organisations comes with certain benefits and I’m always surprised when people appear dismayed that giving up membership equals loss of those benefits.

Thought you’d have got the Minister...here’s another clue...as someone who is noticeably older and fatter than most, he/she then proceeded to lay blame for the UK pandemic figures at the fact that we have an ageing population and an obesity crisis.

See my post #932 above rA, I think you've fallen into my trap of not going back far enough in the thread!

[ramAnag]

See my post #932 above rA, I think you've fallen into my trap of not going back far enough in the thread!

Apologies...hadn’t seen it...and to think she’s in the Cabinet. What a woman!