O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[great_fire]

No fire , the reason for the capitals murder rate is down to many factors .

The drug trade offers an easy opportunity to make lots of money rather than finding a minimum wage job .

Gang culture provides kids with a family , a family they don't naturally have in this day and age unfortunately .

Wherever there is poverty and little chance of a secure future crime increases and the value for life is considerably less than it is in more affluent places , how many people are stabbed everyday in Ascot or Epsom for instance ? .

London has the biggest population in the country and the highest amount of poverty , go figure .

The decision to reduce the amount of Police Officers off our streets due to the Tories austerity programme is also a significant factor .

Even Trevor Phillips admitted a lot of these gang youths are from warzones like Somalia and The Congo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-stabbed.html

Sudanese gangs are running riot in Melbourne ATM, is that the fault of the Tories?

[gm_gm]

[QUOTE=great_fire;39101329]Even Trevor Phillips admitted a lot of these gang youths are from warzones like Somalia and The Congo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-stabbed.html

Met police say that Albanian, Romanian, Bulgarian are the other main ones, “Mail boys” seem to have become even more violent than the east Europeans.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a3856186.html

[Exiletyke]

[QUOTE=gm_gm;39101389]

Even Trevor Phillips admitted a lot of these gang youths are from warzones like Somalia and The Congo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-stabbed.html

Met police say that Albanian, Romanian, Bulgarian are the other main ones, “Mail boys” seem to have become even more violent than the east Europeans.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a3856186.html

Met police say that Albanian, Romanian, Bulgarian are the other main ones, “Mail boys” seem to have become even more violent than the east Europeans.


It's a bit of a bugger if you can't even trust the lads who deliver your post not to stab you

[animallittle3]

Even Trevor Phillips admitted a lot of these gang youths are from warzones like Somalia and The Congo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-stabbed.html

Sudanese gangs are running riot in Melbourne ATM, is that the fault of the Tories?

It's nothing to do with nationality of origin and more to do with the economics we live in .

London was always a violent and tough place to live if you didn't have much , organised crime has existed since time began , the 50's , 60's and 70's were just as violent as they are now , armed robberies , Kray's , Richardsons , the West End was controlled by gangs .

Google the gun fight at Mr Smiths night club in the 60's and Frankie Fraser .

Only the police tactic of introducing the Super Grass suppressed it .

You seem to think this is something new but it isn't .

[animallittle3]

This is more the point.

Leaving with no deal was never mentioned by the Leave EU group during the referendum campaign. They said all along we would leave with a 'free trade deal'. This is what a proportion of those that voted leave expected. To change to bombing out with no deal changes the fundementals of the vote.

Should the people be asked whether we agree a no deal brexit?

Your just an metropolitan elite who doesn't understand democracy .

In fact there isn't such a term as a remainer because due to the referendum result we are ALL leavers now .

We are leaving the EU with what ever is finally decided , end of , the result stands , end of .

The electorate were asked a simple question and they delivered a simple answer , we leave the EU , what part of that is so hard to understand ? .

We will all have to stand by that whichever way you voted , it's a fact that we voted to leave .

Start fecking around with that narrative and I'll tell you now you will put this country in a far worse place .

The people voted to leave , END .

[WanChaiMiller]

Your just an metropolitan elite who doesn't understand democracy .

In fact there isn't such a term as a remainer because due to the referendum result we are ALL leavers now .

We are leaving the EU with what ever is finally decided , end of , the result stands , end of .

The electorate were asked a simple question and they delivered a simple answer , we leave the EU , what part of that is so hard to understand ? .

We will all have to stand by that whichever way you voted , it's a fact that we voted to leave .

Start fecking around with that narrative and I'll tell you now you will put this country in a far worse place .

The people voted to leave , END .

The referendum vote was not the END of anything. It ushured in the start of many years of pain that we are seeing now. Britain voted to be culturally and economically poorer. It is just how far down the scale poor the anti EU ideologists are allowed to push us.

Democracy has never worked that one single vote should seal the fate of a country forever no matter what. In fact it has destabilised our democratic process built around Parliament that has held for centuries.

[Exiletyke]

Pray tell then why was a referendum called in the first place?
It's obvious you are one of the "we don't like the result " brigade so let's do it again & you call that democracy
Your efforts would be better spent in getting on with Brexit as it's your sort who are "destabilising" by not accepting the result
The EU has increasingly taken over & the vote is to get back to the Parliament that you so obviously cherish so where's your problem?
What do you mean by culturally & economically poorer ?

[WanChaiMiller]

Pray tell then why was a referendum called in the first place?
It's obvious you are one of the "we don't like the result " brigade so let's do it again & you call that democracy
Your efforts would be better spent in getting on with Brexit as it's your sort who are "destabilising" by not accepting the result
The EU has increasingly taken over & the vote is to get back to the Parliament that you so obviously cherish so where's your problem?
What do you mean by culturally & economically poorer ?

The result is fine and as I understand it we will leave in March. But, if we leave without a reasonable agreement I think the outcome could be a total disaster. Factor in the Trumps protectionist policy and his destabilising of the established world order, Chinas expansionist programme, growth of India and Russia meddling on our doorstep, I seriously think it will be tough for a Britain without allies.

But, that said, all I'm doing is posting my thoughts on a message board that only a few people read. A bit dramatic to describe it as destabilising the country.

[Exiletyke]

The result is fine and as I understand it we will leave in March. But, if we leave without a reasonable agreement I think the outcome could be a total disaster. Factor in the Trumps protectionist policy and his destabilising of the established world order, Chinas expansionist programme, growth of India and Russia meddling on our doorstep, I seriously think it will be tough for a Britain without allies.

But, that said, all I'm doing is posting my thoughts on a message board that only a few people read. A bit dramatic to describe it as destabilising the country.

There you go again with your Kerrism's [I think I've just invented a new phrase so feel free to use it Madsters]

I said this
Your efforts would be better spent in getting on with Brexit as it's your sort who are "destabilising" by not accepting the result

Note I said "your sort"
But I will rephrase so you don't get confused again

Your efforts would be better spent in getting on with Brexit as it's those like you who call for a second referendum who are "destabilising" by not accepting the result

[WanChaiMiller]

OK - Culturally - We take the low cost and freedom of travel for granted (it is unlikely to have evolved in this way with 28 separate countries).

As it stands we can book a flight with a low cost Irish airline to (say) Berlin for the weekend - we can book a summer holiday with a German travel company anywhere in the EU - can buy second home / investment / holiday properties anywhere within the EU and travel whenever we like - we can retire to the Med and live out lives out in the sun. While we do this all health care is covered. All this is done completely at our choice.

There is a scale depending on how hard / where we pitch Brexit that will jepardise all of the freedomd listed above. Do you think these are sacrifices worth making to achieve Brexit at any cost?