I voted yes....but felt like I'd been kicked in the ba's the day

[Mook1]

I personally believe the economic scare stories are just that. These things find a balance.
Economics and immigration and all that pish aren't really the issue - all things will find a balance - it is the way of things. National sovereignty is really the only issue - you either want it or you don't.

I think you'll find economics are a fairly sizable issue with regards Scottish Independence.

[stewarty27]

I'm an idiot !!! , We wouldn't have GERs in an Independent Scotland its a Westminster invention. Which part of that can't you get that pickled walnut around. Do you have OCD or something ? when I do answer the question and I have several times you just keep asking it again, ONE More time Paddy (and you sure are living up to your name) income, expenditure and borrowing in an Scotland. would be done differently ! 70% of Scotland’s nominal operating deficit was due to £4.1 billion of interest payments on debt we didn’t need. If Scotland had been an independent country over the last 32 years we would have a cash surplus of around £50 billion even if we assume we would still have had the same expenditure including payments for banking collapse and nuclear weapons etc. If we had invested some of that £50 billion in a sovereign oil fund we would probably now have a much larger fund than Norway’s and our economy could be 25% larger than it is today. And that is still possible.. Ok there is a deficit at the moment but if we had control of our own economy we have the the resources and means to reduce that deficit !! THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH IT. Now your question is answered for about the 20th time !!!! we would be able to grow our economy which we can't do now. Oil and Gas prices won't always be that low,

I'll ask you a question .. Do you think Scotland is a poor country and unable to stand on its own two feet ?

[noahrab]

I'm an idiot !!! , We wouldn't have GERs in an Independent Scotland its a Westminster invention. Which part of that can't you get that pickled walnut around. Do you have OCD or something ? when I do answer the question and I have several times you just keep asking it again, ONE More time Paddy (and you sure are living up to your name) income, expenditure and borrowing in an Scotland. would be done differently ! 70% of Scotland’s nominal operating deficit was due to £4.1 billion of interest payments on debt we didn’t need. If Scotland had been an independent country over the last 32 years we would have a cash surplus of around £50 billion even if we assume we would still have had the same expenditure including payments for banking collapse and nuclear weapons etc. If we had invested some of that £50 billion in a sovereign oil fund we would probably now have a much larger fund than Norway’s and our economy could be 25% larger than it is today. And that is still possible.. Ok there is a deficit at the moment but if we had control of our own economy we have the the resources and means to reduce that deficit !! THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH IT. Now your question is answered for about the 20th time !!!! we would be able to grow our economy which we can't do now. Oil and Gas prices won't always be that low,

I'll ask you a question .. Do you think Scotland is a poor country and unable to stand on its own two feet ?

More phuckin deflection.

Try and answer without harking back to days of yore and tell me how an iScotland's balance sheet would look going forward.

Its not an episode of Bullseye with 'let's have a look at what you could've won'.

Try explaining our bright new future under independence as you c**** failed miserably during the last referendum and it's ultimately what lost it.

As for your last sentence, I don't believe we are a poor country but I'm not sure if we're rich enough to afford everything we do now, that's where the deficit comes in.

Have another go son.

[noahrab]

I think you'll find economics are a fairly sizable issue with regards Scottish Independence.

It's arguably the main issue.

[stewarty27]

More phuckin deflection.

Try and answer without harking back to days of yore and tell me how an iScotland's balance sheet would look going forward.

Its not an episode of Bullseye with 'let's have a look at what you could've won'.

Try explaining our bright new future under independence as you c**** failed miserably during the last referendum and it's ultimately what lost it.

As for your last sentence, I don't believe we are a poor country but I'm not sure if we're rich enough to afford everything we do now, that's where the deficit comes in.

Have another go son.

The bottom line is if your to thick to understand what I'm saying there is not much more I can do. Its difficult to know if your being deliberately obtuse or you really are just that thick. I'm happy to discuss this issue with others but no longer with you as its a total waste of my time.

[stewarty27]

I think you'll find economics are a fairly sizable issue with regards Scottish Independence.

Absolutely Mook and I'm not underestimating that. but the economic argument cuts both ways. My argument is plain and simple. 1 I think we have the resources the people and the will to make a complete success of our own country. and we would be a fairer more equal and affluent Country.

2 The right wing neoliberal policies of Westminster don't work for Scotland. They don't really work for the rest of rUK as well save a small elite. Scotland is a wealthy nation but being part of the Westminster system has stopped us from becoming a wealthy society. The fact that Scotland’s wealth does not stay in Scotland has led to a lack of investment in business and infrastructure, created worries about pensions, more poverty, lower life expectancy. And before that Dundee half wit jumps in this is not blaming Westminster this is the reality.

3 Is it actually possible to make a bigger mess of things than the UK has ? Billions upon Billions of Scotland's resources being squandered on tax cuts for the rich and illegal wars. and servicing a debt that has been run up by a greedy selfish few.

4 Its normal for sovereign Nations to be Independent.

[JackSnakes]

I think you'll find economics are a fairly sizable issue with regards Scottish Independence.

To who?
It shouldn't be.
It wasn't for Brexit because, despite knowing full well that they were shooting themselves in the pocket, they voted for it anyway because they wanted their country back.
Like indyref, Brexit was not really about the economy or immigration - these are just issues used to muddy the waters. Scare stories to make people think twice about their original position.
To be honest, if you don't want it badly enough to go for it despite the sure knowledge that you will be hit hard in the short term, then you really shouldn't even bother thinking about it.
Independence is a bold step for a country that has not had it for 300 years.
It is obviously too bold a step for many.

[JackSnakes]

It's arguably the main issue.

Why?
What does economics have to do with whether or not a country should be independent?
Independence is not about money, it is about sovereignty.
To those for whom it is a solely financial issue, I would say they should not vote for indeopendence because they do not deserve independence.

[noahrab]

The bottom line is if your to thick to understand what I'm saying there is not much more I can do. Its difficult to know if your being deliberately obtuse or you really are just that thick. I'm happy to discuss this issue with others but no longer with you as its a total waste of my time.

You c**** always run away when you can't answer.

You've answered phuck all without referencing another country or what's happened the past 30yrs.

You c**** lack the ability to look forward and convince the no and floating voters how our finances in an iScotland will stack up. I'm willing to be convinced.

I really can't see why you keep avoiding the issue.

Have another go without greetin or running away like a wee lassie.

[noahrab]

Why?
What does economics have to do with whether or not a country should be independent?
Independence is not about money, it is about sovereignty.
To those for whom it is a solely financial issue, I would say they should not vote for indeopendence because they do not deserve independence.

If anyone decided to go and work for themselves instead of working for a company they would look at the financial implications.

Being yer own man is no good if yer skint.