OT - Boris Johnson and the Freedom of Speech

[ramAnag]

Probably. Like as not also the source of his claim of having his cell "directly opposite the prison mosque"........... only problem being that the prison doesn't have a mosque. Hung by your own petard Yaxley-Lennon.

Oh yeah, that’s just reminded me...another of Gunteryy’s claims that I asked him to substantiate...that Yaxley-Lennon-Robinson had been ‘tortured’ in prison.
Anything to add on that one Gunteryy?
All I could find was that he claimed ‘mental torture’ because he didn't have his own TV, didn’t trust the food and thought there were too many Muslims locked up alongside him...poor love!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Shhhhhhhhhhh noone mention Huddersfield

31 charged, many named, some cannot be. By my reckoning every one named sounds Moslem, with one possible exception. Mostly in 30s, and generally charged with rape and trafficking of under aged girls.

Plus ca change, la meme chose

[ramAnag]

Shhhhhhhhhhh noone mention Huddersfield

31 charged, many named, some cannot be. By my reckoning every one named sounds Moslem, with one possible exception. Mostly in 30s, and generally charged with rape and trafficking of under aged girls.

Plus ca change, la meme chose

Quite right Parky, and very pleased I am to see such ‘people’ brought to justice. They do indeed all have Muslim names and all the offences date back between six and thirteen years...which is kind of what I’ve been saying. No excuses, this should never have been covered up and should have been dealt with years ago but things have changed.

Gunteryy...one cannot help but discredit Tricky’s source...it’s a very right wing organisation which aims to discredit Muslims...it has no credibility at all in this context.
As for ‘discrediting’ your source, you’ve still to name it...anyone can make up a figure...and while we’re at it, who’s this ‘we’ as in ‘this is what we’re up against’? Sounds distinctly sinister to me. Maybe you’re referring to you and Tricky...you and Robinson perhaps...maybe you’re part of some organisation.
Either way, the source of your statistic would be helpful while an inability/refusal to reveal it might lead people to believe it might just be made up.

[MadAmster]

Gunter, here are a few facts.......

The trial TR reported on was subject to reporting restrictions because the trial is linked to and has commonalities with other ongoing trials. Some of the victims are the same. Some of the suspects/defendants are the same. In order to give them a fair trial, names and verdicts are not to be linked. Anything that might have the slightest influence on the other trials being fair and just may not be reported. It appears TR did just that. That is against the Law.

I think that, in his retrial, he will be found guilty and his sentence will be time served.

He knows exactly what Contempt is as he has been found guilty of it before. He will know what he can and can't report. Go outside of those parameters and you put yourself in danger of arrest.

I have yet to hear him condemn the 3 white guys recently jailed for raping babies. If he really is what he makes himself out to be, he would be all over that case like a rash too....... maybe you can enlighten us as to why he isn't all over it.

[GUNTERYY36]

Gunter, here are a few facts.......

The trial TR reported on was subject to reporting restrictions because the trial is linked to and has commonalities with other ongoing trials. Some of the victims are the same. Some of the suspects/defendants are the same. In order to give them a fair trial, names and verdicts are not to be linked. Anything that might have the slightest influence on the other trials being fair and just may not be reported. It appears TR did just that. That is against the Law.

I think that, in his retrial, he will be found guilty and his sentence will be time served.

He knows exactly what Contempt is as he has been found guilty of it before. He will know what he can and can't report. Go outside of those parameters and you put yourself in danger of arrest.

I have yet to hear him condemn the 3 white guys recently jailed for raping babies. If he really is what he makes himself out to be, he would be all over that case like a rash too....... maybe you can enlighten us as to why he isn't all over it.

RamAnag, I agree that when TR violated reporting restrictions on an ongoing trial he was breaking the law. He should have been punished accordingly. But speaking strictly as a layman, I think 13 months seems an excessively long sentence. As did a similarly long sentence for the man who threw a pork chop outside a mosque. Still, I digress. As I alluded to earlier, it's a great shame the media don't report on individual cases of muslim 'grooming' to the same extent as they do technicalities in the trial of everyone's favourite pantomime villain. I haven't heard of the case you mentioned concerning the three white guys. But if it's true I agree, he should come out and condemn it.

By the way, some threads lead to exchanges that become a little (unnecessarily) personal. But I have not consciously tried to 'humiliate' you. But if that has happened I apologise unreservedly.

[ramAnag]

RamAnag, I agree that when TR violated reporting restrictions on an ongoing trial he was breaking the law. He should have been punished accordingly. But speaking strictly as a layman, I think 13 months seems an excessively long sentence. As did a similarly long sentence for the man who threw a pork chop outside a mosque. Still, I digress. As I alluded to earlier, it's a great shame the media don't report on individual cases of muslim 'grooming' to the same extent as they do technicalities in the trial of everyone's favourite pantomime villain. I haven't heard of the case you mentioned concerning the three white guys. But if it's true I agree, he should come out and condemn it.

By the way, some threads lead to exchanges that become a little (unnecessarily) personal. But I have not consciously tried to 'humiliate' you. But if that has happened I apologise unreservedly.

I think you’re confusing mista and myself Gunteryy. I didn’t mention a case of ‘three white guys’, mista did and I can assure you I have never felt ‘humiliated’ by you or anyone else on here. That was another of mista’s suggestions
Mista was, understandably in the circumstances, offering me support because arguing with you is a little like banging one’s head against a brick wall. You make a ridiculous statement, in this case about how ‘70% of Muslims’ behave and then, when challenged, change the subject completely, fail to substantiate it or claim ‘never to have meant it literally’.
Tbh I have some seriously more pressing matters that are of genuine concern to me at the moment and arguing with people who use such ‘tactics’ as you do is a waste of my time.
I’m not quite sure what your aim is. You don’t come from or have any interest in Derby County...you say very little - a few anti Derby jibes apart - about football and you seem hell bent on having a political argument with me in your effort to justify the actions of a few right wing, racist bigots such as Robinson and his EDL.
People on here may well be heartily sick of politics featuring on this forum but I think the likes of MoP, Ram59 and occasionally Andy would agree that, although we regularly disagree, I am nothing if not respectful of their position and consistent in my arguments. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about you and my time may be put to much better use elsewhere.

[GUNTERYY36]

I think you’re confusing mista and myself Gunteryy. I didn’t mention a case of ‘three white guys’, mista did and I can assure you I have never felt ‘humiliated’ by you or anyone else on here. That was another of mista’s suggestions
Mista was, understandably in the circumstances, offering me support because arguing with you is a little like banging one’s head against a brick wall. You make a ridiculous statement, in this case about how ‘70% of Muslims’ behave and then, when challenged, change the subject completely, fail to substantiate it or claim ‘never to have meant it literally’.
Tbh I have some seriously more pressing matters that are of genuine concern to me at the moment and arguing with people who use such ‘tactics’ as you do is a waste of my time.
I’m not quite sure what your aim is. You don’t come from or have any interest in Derby County...you say very little - a few anti Derby jibes apart - about football and you seem hell bent on having a political argument with me in your effort to justify the actions of a few right wing, racist bigots such as Robinson and his EDL.
People on here may well be heartily sick of politics featuring on this forum but I think the likes of MoP, Ram59 and occasionally Andy would agree that, although we regularly disagree, I am nothing if not respectful of their position and consistent in my arguments. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about you and my time may be put to much better use elsewhere.

ramAnag, after your latest two posts I doubt you have much time left to post anywhere!

No anti-Rams jokes from me. I just wish we could swap our players for yours. And manager. You could even have Oakwell as your training ground. Oh, and super wealthy owners that might just as well be skint.

[MadAmster]

RamAnag, I agree that when TR violated reporting restrictions on an ongoing trial he was breaking the law. He should have been punished accordingly. But speaking strictly as a layman, I think 13 months seems an excessively long sentence. As did a similarly long sentence for the man who threw a pork chop outside a mosque. Still, I digress. As I alluded to earlier, it's a great shame the media don't report on individual cases of muslim 'grooming' to the same extent as they do technicalities in the trial of everyone's favourite pantomime villain. I haven't heard of the case you mentioned concerning the three white guys. But if it's true I agree, he should come out and condemn it.

By the way, some threads lead to exchanges that become a little (unnecessarily) personal. But I have not consciously tried to 'humiliate' you. But if that has happened I apologise unreservedly.

I don't know if this will help you find the 13 month sentence a little less excessive but he didn't get 13 months for THIS contempt of court. The sentence was made up of 2 parts. Once found guilty, the 3 month suspended sentence he was given in 2017 for contempt of court - he reported on a trial of Asian Muslims which was subject to reporting restrictions (sound familiar?) when he shouldn't have - and, as this was a repeat offence, very similar to the one only a year earlier, he was given a harsher sentence of 10 months for the 2018 offence. He appears not to have learned from the first suspended sentence and a harsher one is only to be expected.

[GUNTERYY36]

I don't know if this will help you find the 13 month sentence a little less excessive but he didn't get 13 months for THIS contempt of court. The sentence was made up of 2 parts. Once found guilty, the 3 month suspended sentence he was given in 2017 for contempt of court - he reported on a trial of Asian Muslims which was subject to reporting restrictions (sound familiar?) when he shouldn't have - and, as this was a repeat offence, very similar to the one only a year earlier, he was given a harsher sentence of 10 months for the 2018 offence. He appears not to have learned from the first suspended sentence and a harsher one is only to be expected.

MadAmster, I have no reason to doubt what you say. When treated in isolation, most fair-minded people will agree justice has been served. But my point is that there are a growing number of cases where Pakistani muslim rapists have been found guilty but given much lighter (or no) sentences. And the parents of the victims of Rotherham, Rochdale, etc. won't give a damn about the rights and wrongs of a celebrity trial. I'm quite sure they would rather see more publicity for these vile and heartbreaking crimes than hear of the media circus highlighting TR's brush with the law.

[MadAmster]

MadAmster, I have no reason to doubt what you say. When treated in isolation, most fair-minded people will agree justice has been served. But my point is that there are a growing number of cases where Pakistani muslim rapists have been found guilty but given much lighter (or no) sentences. And the parents of the victims of Rotherham, Rochdale, etc. won't give a damn about the rights and wrongs of a celebrity trial. I'm quite sure they would rather see more publicity for these vile and heartbreaking crimes than hear of the media circus highlighting TR's brush with the law.

Gunter, Totally agree with you on the severity of the Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc crimes. Those responsible, when found guilty, deserve long sentences. To the best of my recollection, sentences of years in double figures have been handed down. That is not leniency. I have seen press reports saying that 3 of the guilty who were born in Pakistan will be sent back there after serving their sentences. You appear to have knowledge of some lenient sentences of which I am unaware. I am definitely unaware of rapists being found guilty and getting no sentence whatsoever as you state. I look forward to your informing me of the charges and sentences I appear to have missed.