O/T Heroes and Villains

[Andy_Faber]

on the football front, Colleymore and Carracher have gone crackers at LFC, over suspending staff, to claim money off the government.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/liv...153533974.html

So these footballers, on all their monstrous pay, won't drop a bean. Yet the tax payer has to subsidise the working plebs.
It isn't just them either.

Burnley are claiming they will go bust in August, if games don't resume.
The monster of over paid footballers has really raised its head now. Maybe a revolution is coming?

Pretty puke inducing throughout. just reinforces my long standing low opinion of pro football

[Trickytreesreds]

Pretty puke inducing throughout. just reinforces my long standing low opinion of pro football

I quite agree Andy.
My son plays amateur football at a decent level. Yet they scrap and scrape for every penny they can to survive and play the game as well as they can.
Pro footballers today, think the real world doesn't involve them.
If they aren't messing about with women/crashing super cars/behaving like kids/ they are refusing to give ny helping hand if they can.
Not all of them I agree, but the majority.
One of the reasons I have never gone to a testimonial unless I know it's for charity.

[Andy_Faber]

I quite agree Andy.
My son plays amateur football at a decent level. Yet they scrap and scrape for every penny they can to survive and play the game as well as they can.
Pro footballers today, think the real world doesn't involve them.
If they aren't messing about with women/crashing super cars/behaving like kids/ they are refusing to give ny helping hand if they can.
Not all of them I agree, but the majority.
One of the reasons I have never gone to a testimonial unless I know it's for charity.

What really racks me off is that they are the role models/heros/icons of future generations. RA will maybe point out that the likes of Reece Mogg are bigger 'crooks' and thats as may be but he and his ilk aren't also role models. Derby missed a trick by not sacking our villains earlier in the year, likewise Villa and Grealish, but money, and the asset value of these players, talks. There are no clean hands.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Now we've got the Chief medical officer in Scotland doing as she pleases.

I could maybe understand her visiting her second home once, alone, to check if everything was OK, but to go 2 weekends running and take the family as well, is disgusting imo.

Her position should be untenable. Sturgeon values her advice, surely she just passes on information given to her. Would you be happy to follow what this person tells you to do?

She is gone... Resigned, before pushed I'd guess.

Hang your head in shame, you can replace Jack Grealish at the head of the dickhead list.

[MadAmster]

Maybe that head of the list spot should be for Kyle Walker who, allegedly, had a shindig at home for friends and family over the weekend.......

[MadAmster]

Are the "1%" taking pay cuts? Branson? The media magnates? Rees Mogg and all those others who moved company Head Offices to somewhere "safer" than the UK?

I know Pro players get way too much but I also think it's unfair to single them out when there others coining way more than the players. The PFA has come out and said a 30% drop in player wages would cost HMRC £200M. Why not tax their earnings and then have them donate 30% of their net income. That would still leave them coining in more in a year than many of us get in a lifetime. That wouldn't be unreasonable IMO, however, as I said in my opening sentence in this post, why single players out and not the Bransons etc of this world?

Branson is possibly worse as he not only pays his "taxes" abroad, so do his companies yet he wants the UK taxpayer to bail him out. Poor form IMO. On the other hand, keeping his business afloat will keep those jobs...... 2 sides to everything it would seem.

[ramAnag]

What really racks me off is that they are the role models/heros/icons of future generations. RA will maybe point out that the likes of Reece Mogg are bigger 'crooks' and thats as may be but he and his ilk aren't also role models. Derby missed a trick by not sacking our villains earlier in the year, likewise Villa and Grealish, but money, and the asset value of these players, talks. There are no clean hands.

Don’t think I’ve ever called Rees-Mogg a ‘crook’, Andy. For what it’s worth I think he’s an over privileged, arrogant, hypocritical, anachronistic ****** but any comparison between him and modern day footballers is, imo, meaningless...like comparing apples and oranges.

Don’t want to go over old ground but I think it’s naive to think that we could, legally, have sacked our wrongdoers from last September on the basis that their wrong-doing had nothing to do with their employment and didn’t prevent them from continuing to work. The same is probably true of Villa and Grealish, Liverpool and Firmino or Everton and Rooney.

Rees-Mogg may not be a role model (although he’s possibly one of MoP’s ) but he is sadly a rule maker and thus probably one of those far more responsible for the morally bankrupt society we live in than all the undoubtedly overpaid football/sports/celebrity ‘stars’ put together.

[Ram59]

I sometimes think that we get the morally bankrupt society that we deserve.

Upon reflection, I've been thinking about our reaction to the Excel charging the NHS story. We, I include myself in this, come on here and are so judgemental about what others do, generally not fully appreciating their situations or motives. In this instance, we all felt that it was wrong to charge the NHS. But do we feel that's it's wrong for the pharmaceutical, oxygen, food supplying, vehicle leasing companies etc, to charge for their services? Excel, as many other businesses, have been severely affected by this crisis and may not have been in a position to give away millions of pounds, but we think we know better, especially when it's not our money or our efforts that are required.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Another 3000 people to hang their heads in shame - sunbathing in Brockley Park, South London in breach of all sorts, such that the council has now closed it.

God help us over Easter if it still has not sunk in after 2 weeks

[ramAnag]

I sometimes think that we get the morally bankrupt society that we deserve.

Upon reflection, I've been thinking about our reaction to the Excel charging the NHS story. We, I include myself in this, come on here and are so judgemental about what others do, generally not fully appreciating their situations or motives. In this instance, we all felt that it was wrong to charge the NHS. But do we feel that's it's wrong for the pharmaceutical, oxygen, food supplying, vehicle leasing companies etc, to charge for their services? Excel, as many other businesses, have been severely affected by this crisis and may not have been in a position to give away millions of pounds, but we think we know better, especially when it's not our money or our efforts that are required.

I’m sure we do, Ram...and I agree about how easy it is to be judgemental.

As regards the Excel situation. In my case at least it was the ‘shock’ of discovering that an organisation appeared to be profiting to such an extent out of the current situation, but I take your point about those other industries you speak of.
Indeed, one of the most depressing aspects of this whole crisis for me is that it almost seems as if the race to find a vaccine is being driven by profit rather than a desire to solve a problem which threatens a devastating toll on the whole of mankind.
Hope I’m wrong, but when the first pharma company discovers an appropriate vaccine I fear they may well effectively hold the world to ‘ransom’.
Sincerely hope not, but having had some recent first hand experience of the extraordinary profits such companies sometimes make from the misfortune of others in the U.S. I have my concerns.