Just remember black lives matter.

[alfinyalcabo]

I believe Netflix and others removed Little Britain from their play lists .

[1959_60]

BAME people have to send in 60% more CV's than white British people, even when they are equalled qualified. This has hardly changed in over 50 years.
Why? Can you explain it?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...n-if-they-have

BAME people earn 10% less than white workers.

Why? Can you explain it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a9165071.html

I'll give you plenty more examples if you like. (Arrests, places on companies boards etc)

If you say that racism hasn't been a problem recently perhaps you could start listening to what the Black Lives Matter movement is telling us.

[army88]

BAME people have to send in 60% more CV's than white British people, even when they are equalled qualified. This has hardly changed in over 50 years.
Why? Can you explain it?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...n-if-they-have

BAME people earn 10% less than white workers.

Why? Can you explain it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a9165071.html

I'll give you plenty more examples if you like. (Arrests, places on companies boards etc)

If you say that racism hasn't been a problem recently perhaps you could start listening to what the Black Lives Matter movement is telling us.

How nieve are you 59/60 you really think that all this is about racism - Lewis Hamilton under privileged upbringing , Anthony Joshua ( don’t buy from whites stores ) racist that I think .
Meghan who was always white till this Rubbish got going.
Leona Lewis who can’t go anywhere without being subjected to racism. ( really ).

Beyonce , who’s relatives were part of the slave trade , who bleached her skin for acceptance.

And now we’re going back hundreds of years for the oppressed in slavery

Here’s the thing slavery was started by black traders and we in this country campaigned and paid to stop it for years , yes that’s right the British white tax payers were the main contributors to stop the slave trade and eventually succeeded as late as 2015 I think.

So here we are 59 and you as well have been dragged along by abSolute codswallop ,

If you read my previous posts I wrote there always has been and always will be forms of racism and I accept that , however I didn’t agree with it.

Here’s a complete reversal for you take a walk yourself Through Bradford city centre as a white man without feeling intimidated
( that can’t be right either can it - no sign of those people on the media though is there?)

So these people and the left and Of course the media bull **** train is at full speed now with yours and BT backing , and many more for that matter all frightened to actually have a thought of their own.

If you checked the American media four deaths of black men since the fatal murder that stated this charade , I wander if those black lives didn’t/ don’t matter(ironic isn’t it black lives matter- killed by other black s ).

I’m signing off for good now gents And won’t be posting on here anymore it’s all a political scam divide and conquer Process that’s in motion and it’s really not for me.

[Norder]

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why this cut off point at colonial slave trade - it was commonplace in Africa when the Portugeuse arrived there in the 1500's...warring tribes trading their captives for gold - slave markets along the caravan routes....but I think the most highly prized / most expensive were Georgian and Circassian women of the Northwestern Caucasus.....the Sultans loved them for their harems.

The Circassians are poor, and their daughters are beautiful, and indeed it is in them chiefly trade.
They furnish with those beauties the seraglio of the Turkish Sultan, of the Persian Sophy,
and of all of those who are wealthy enough to purchase and maintain such precious merchandise.
These maidens are very honourably and virtuously instructed how to fondle and caress men;
are taught dances of a very polite and effeminate kind;
and how to heighten by the most voluptuous artifices
the pleasures of their disdainful masters for whom they are designed.

Voltaire

I’m signing off for good now gents And won’t be posting on here anymore it’s all a political scam divide and conquer Process that’s in motion and it’s really not for me.

stick around army - the rides just beginning

[outwoodclaret]

Human beings are of course hugely complex and history at least as complex. What worries me is that some individuals (some indeed with very powerful voices) are simply playing the race card and that is a travesty which should be of a concern to everyone no matter where you are on the political spectrum. If you are not worried then I am going to give one example of what is going on at present. A petition is being organised by a lecturer in history at Manchester University addressed to the Mayor of Manchester and the City Council to have statues of Sir Robert Peel removed on the grounds that he is an icon of hate and racism. Worried now? I certainly am.

A note for army. I understand your reluctance to post further on this subject but hope you will remain on this forum. We should all be entitled to express our views and not be bullied into silence and dumb acceptance. That is surely one of the most repugnant tactics of this campaign. Dealing with racial injustice is a very worthwhile cause and if it was just that I would not need to be writing this.

[army88]

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why this cut off point at colonial slave trade - it was commonplace in Africa when the Portugeuse arrived there in the 1500's...warring tribes trading their captives for gold - slave markets along the caravan routes....but I think the most highly prized / most expensive were Georgian and Circassian women of the Northwestern Caucasus.....the Sultans loved them for their harems.

The Circassians are poor, and their daughters are beautiful, and indeed it is in them chiefly trade.
They furnish with those beauties the seraglio of the Turkish Sultan, of the Persian Sophy,
and of all of those who are wealthy enough to purchase and maintain such precious merchandise.
These maidens are very honourably and virtuously instructed how to fondle and caress men;
are taught dances of a very polite and effeminate kind;
and how to heighten by the most voluptuous artifices
the pleasures of their disdainful masters for whom they are designed.

Voltaire








stick around army - the rides just beginning

I just find I infuriating that they don’t learn a balanced view before blurting out if you not with us your racist

Take today’s issue Yorkshire Tea ( newspapers today). They’re on it and they have been exploiting black people for hundreds of years, I have no problem with people wanting equality and all I can do
Is my bit not be racist.

I really do think the tragedy is they’ve opened the gap between people to create racism
Not irradicate it.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A serious discourse on racism here and everywhere else for that matter has been long overdue.

It's an emotive subject, it's divisive and it asks people to choose sides.

It's the elephant in the room.

George Floyd's murder has meant we have finally got round to opening the can of worms.

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We need this discourse army88 and walking away from it is not the solution.

[outwoodclaret]

[QUOTE=The Bedlington Terrier;39508566]A serious discourse on racism here and everywhere else for that matter has been long overdue.

It's an emotive subject, it's divisive and it asks people to choose sides.

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A meaningful debate is probably possible on this site BT. At least I hope it is. I would not dream of posting anything on Facebook for example because a rational debate is simply not possible there at the present time and is likely to be met with a torrent of abuse and accusations.

I disagree with your assertion that there are sides or indeed that we must choose a particular side. I think we are agreed racism needs to be tackled. So it should.

Slavery which still exists in all its cruelty in these modern times has hardly been mentioned in this media storm.

I will add to the debate when where and as I see fit.

[1959_60]

Agree with all that outwood.

And if I seemed to be calling people racist if they didn't agree with me then I apologise - I didn't mean anything like that.

And I must admit that, until the recent events unfolded, it was not on my radar at all to be honest.

But then I got to thinking...

If white people, with the same qualifications, were not getting the same job opportunities as black people,

If white people were earning 10% less than black people,

If white people were much more subject to , say, stop and search by the police than black people,

If far fewer white people than black people made it to key roles in most businesses (allowing for the differing numbers of white/black people in our society),

Then would I speak out? I certainly would.

Much the same could be said for the inequalities that many women feel as well.

I believe in equal opportunities and a fairer society for all.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Crikey this is one almighty complex issue. Slavery was not confined only to blacks, I guess everyone gets that?

It was in North America where I believe the racial hatred towards blacks was first spawned and that is where I believe it will finish.

We all pretty much know the American Civil War ended slavery in the US, but it seems to me the legacy of slavery has inspired racial hatred which still resonates loud and clear within the confines of contemporary politics and civil society in North America.

People still talk of the lynching's and segregation in the Deep South of America and please let us all remember this was taking place until the 1960's?

This type of collective and individual oppression against what was regarded by the whites as an "inferior" or subordinate "racial group" (i.e. the blacks) continues today as epitomised by the unjustifiable homicide of George Floyd.

Until we all call out institutional racism and we end it with protests violent or otherwise, this problem will continue. This is why the Black Lives Matter movement is burning hot today and I have a feeling in my gut it will not burn out until the likes of Trump, Trudeau and Johnson issue decrees to end it.

To be continued...