Face Masks to be made compulsory.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I will be wearing one,but people will make their own choices. Anyway,who is going to police the supermarkets and shops etc.. I can see there being quite a few problems with numpties refusing to wear them in stores and shops and then kicking off when told to wear one..

We have a very large Asian community here in Bolton Alf. Ever since the lockdown began they have singularly failed to adhere to any of the "rules".

Yesterday, it was widely reported large numbers of Asian males were in the shops and supermarkets sans masks. My question is, if roughly 30% of a town's population have steadfastly refused to adhere to government COVID-19 "regulations" and this virus is so deadly, why are we not all dead?

It's bollox and we all know it's bollox, the Asians are just proving it!

[Supersub6]

Well I had mine on yesterday in the local supermarket but it really steamed up my glasses so that I was bumbling about, couldn't see and was bumping into people who were complaining about my not social distancing. The trouble is that, because of my tinnitus and the fact that my right ear is totally blocked with wax because I can't get an appointment to sort it out, I couldn't hear what they were complaining about and I couldn't lip read because they all had masks on!
I left my trolley and went outside to get some air and clean my glasses and then continued my shopping in a haze, however, I suppose that I have kept everyone safe, even though I was bumping into people, a problem that I have never had before when I was social distancing.

[1959_60]

I agree 100% with Antifootball.

[sinkov]

"With due respect mate, you are. You are turning wearing a mask into some anti government agenda. If you search and read what you want to hear online you'll find stuff that reads exactly as you want it,"

I have no anti-government agenda, quite the opposite, everything I post on this subject is based on official government advice, ONS statistics and the latest WHO report. I know nothing about face masks or this virus so I have no 'opinion' as such, I only base my views on the above sources. I haven't had to search online, the government sent me a letter about three months ago at the beginning of this pandemic, it explained what I had to do to stay safe, I assume it was based on the latest expert and scientific advice, there was no mention of wearing face coverings. I have watched all of the daily press briefings, at no point has any of the scientists or medical experts advocated wearing face coverings, I remember particularly Professor Jonathan Van Tamm MBE, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, a specialist in influenza, including its epidemiology, transmission, vaccinology, antiviral drugs and pandemic preparedness, being asked directly whether he would recommend wearing face covering, he replied that there was no evidence to suggest it would be beneficial. He said that Anti, not me, was he making it up, was he lying through his teeth, does he not know what he's talking about, you tell me ?

"I just accept it for what it is and just wear a mask. Everyone else is doing it, not just in the UK but throughout the world. In Asian countries like Japan they do it even pre-pandemic...and they have greater experience at dealing with pandemics than us."

Everyone else is most certainly not doing it. In Clitheroe yesterday the vast majority were still not wearing masks, they were putting them on when they went into a shop and taking them off as they came out. Rather than mask wearing I would suspect that the Japanese might have had a better outcome than us because they tend to keep their distance from one another, no handshaking, kissing or hugging, social distancing is part of their culture. As far as I'm aware most mask wearing in the Far East is protection against air pollution, not a virus.

"I'll leave the decision of wearing a mask down to experts and government officials because I trust their opinion far more than mine."

As you can see from the above Anti, I'm just like you, taking on trust what the government and experts have been saying. I'm just very suspicious about why they've changed their minds, this decision seems more driven by politics than anything else, and it shouldn't be.



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[sinkov]

I agree 100% with Antifootball.

Quelle surprise, I wondered when you'd come out on the side of the muzzlers 59, just confirms all my suspicions about where this is being driven from. Thank you.

[Balanbam00]

Again I am coming in with this ........ we are dealing with a virus!!!

But virus is a vague term. It is said, "this disease is of virus origin." The better term will be microvitum, and not virus. These microvita move throughout the entire universe, from one celestial body to another. They move everywhere. They have also got basic characteristics -- such as existing, multiplying and dying.

These microvita are the carriers of life in different stars, planets and satellites -- not carbon atoms or carbon molecules. This microvitum, or in plural microvita, are not of protoplasmic order, and as such they have got little to do with carbon molecules or carbon atoms, which are treated as the initial points or initial stage of life in this universe''.

“An electron is one of the smallest compounds in an atom. Microvita compose the electron in such a way that millions of microvita create a single electron and billions of microvita create an atom.” - quoted in Bomrim, from R. Gauthier, 1992.

... when billions of microvita get solidified, a carbon atom is formed".

When something so mysterious is not known, by scientist??

Googgle microvita ,know before others do!!

[antifootball]

"With due respect mate, you are. You are turning wearing a mask into some anti government agenda. If you search and read what you want to hear online you'll find stuff that reads exactly as you want it,"

I have no anti-government agenda, quite the opposite, everything I post on this subject is based on official government advice, ONS statistics and the latest WHO report. I know nothing about face masks or this virus so I have no 'opinion' as such, I only base my views on the above sources. I haven't had to search online, the government sent me a letter about three months ago at the beginning of this pandemic, it explained what I had to do to stay safe, I assume it was based on the latest expert and scientific advice, there was no mention of wearing face coverings. I have watched all of the daily press briefings, at no point has any of the scientists or medical experts advocated wearing face coverings, I remember particularly Professor Jonathan Van Tamm MBE, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, a specialist in influenza, including its epidemiology, transmission, vaccinology, antiviral drugs and pandemic preparedness, being asked directly whether he would recommend wearing face covering, he replied that there was no evidence to suggest it would be beneficial. He said that Anti, not me, was he making it up, was he lying through his teeth, does he not know what he's talking about, you tell me ?

"I just accept it for what it is and just wear a mask. Everyone else is doing it, not just in the UK but throughout the world. In Asian countries like Japan they do it even pre-pandemic...and they have greater experience at dealing with pandemics than us."

Everyone else is most certainly not doing it. In Clitheroe yesterday the vast majority were still not wearing masks, they were putting them on when they went into a shop and taking them off as they came out. Rather than mask wearing I would suspect that the Japanese might have had a better outcome than us because they tend to keep their distance from one another, no handshaking, kissing or hugging, social distancing is part of their culture. As far as I'm aware most mask wearing in the Far East is protection against air pollution, not a virus.

"I'll leave the decision of wearing a mask down to experts and government officials because I trust their opinion far more than mine."

As you can see from the above Anti, I'm just like you, taking on trust what the government and experts have been saying. I'm just very suspicious about why they've changed their minds, this decision seems more driven by politics than anything else, and it shouldn't be.



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But in the medical/science field there are always mixed opinions. That is why people will often change doctors, or see multiple specialists. Sometimes people are wrong, sometimes they are right..but its a collective effort, not just a one-man-says all ruling. The UK isn't alone with its brash and poor decision making. Probably the death rate as a whole is higher because lock-down wasn't entered quickly enough...the same mistakes made by each country was like watching dominoes fall one after another.

I don't think you should worry so much about the agenda. There's countries that are far, far more corrupt than the UK and I don't think this is leading to anything more than wearing a mask.

But otherwise, tell me about it! My wife works as a optometrist assistant and spends her day up close testing patients. She's had people take off her mask, sneeze in her face and people who bluntly refused (and been turned away) because they won't wear one.

She is immune compromised so it really bothers her, every step people can take, be it small or large would greatly help her piece of mind.

The whole virus thing scares the crap out of me and I would have a low chance to die if I conceived it. I'm scared for her and my parents, and I'm scared of unintentionally passing it on to someone else.

The best form of defence is just not being near people to begin with, which is something I'm already pretty good at! I've managed to only go out a handful of times and when I do I put one on, takes some getting used to but it doesn't bother you once you are used to it.

But I try to remain positive. I'm hoping before too long we can get back to normal ways and the worry will disappear. Its getting really old this virus business

[Supersub6]

But in the medical/science field there are always mixed opinions. That is why people will often change doctors, or see multiple specialists. Sometimes people are wrong, sometimes they are right..but its a collective effort, not just a one-man-says all ruling. The UK isn't alone with its brash and poor decision making. Probably the death rate as a whole is higher because lock-down wasn't entered quickly enough...the same mistakes made by each country was like watching dominoes fall one after another.

I don't think you should worry so much about the agenda. There's countries that are far, far more corrupt than the UK and I don't think this is leading to anything more than wearing a mask.

But otherwise, tell me about it! My wife works as a optometrist assistant and spends her day up close testing patients. She's had people take off her mask, sneeze in her face and people who bluntly refused (and been turned away) because they won't wear one.

She is immune compromised so it really bothers her, every step people can take, be it small or large would greatly help her piece of mind.

The whole virus thing scares the crap out of me and I would have a low chance to die if I conceived it. I'm scared for her and my parents, and I'm scared of unintentionally passing it on to someone else.

The best form of defence is just not being near people to begin with, which is something I'm already pretty good at! I've managed to only go out a handful of times and when I do I put one on, takes some getting used to but it doesn't bother you once you are used to it.

But I try to remain positive. I'm hoping before too long we can get back to normal ways and the worry will disappear. Its getting really old this virus business

Nobody really knows what's happening because many 'experts' just contradict what other 'experts' say.
It is no good worrying about it because there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it, you will either catch it or you won't but you do need to use common sense.

Your missus is in an occupation dealing with others and the customers should respect what has been laid down in the business premises and if they refuse they should be shown the door. As far as someone sneezing in her face is concerned, sadly this is a sad reflection on society in general particularly the lack of respect for others which is very prevalent. Sadly, this is something which has been brought about by the free and easy attitude of so many people who will not accept the blame for any wrongdoing. Society stinks.

If you want to know more I will put you intouch with my eldest who is a Paramedic in London and some of the tales coming from there over the last few months would shock you. Add his missus to the equation, a GP in Sheffield, and if you are a worrier you would be suicidal.

Stay safe, we should only be wearing masks ad infinitum as per the Japanese, Chinese etc. but why worry ---you have no control over it!

[Norder]

If you think about how these decisions are made then you will know that its not just one person. There's a collective of different opinions and its not impossible for changes to be made. Its happened the same in other countries too..it happened with the herd immunity malarkey.
I just don't get what the big deal is. We aren't getting told to report people because of their race or religion and its not part of a bigger plan for control. We don't have a dictatorship and our system isn't anywhere near as corrupt as countries that do. This is the 20's in the UK, not the 30s in Germany.
I think its just not a big deal wearing one, and I don't see it like that at all.
But anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree. This is just my own opinion and I respect your own and others. I personally trust what is being said about masks and feel it should have been bought in earlier. I disagree that there's no reason to wear one, and would disagree if that was still the case.

as previously....the Government (those people)- have not given "the people" or parliament any scientific reason for their usage of a draconian ammendment to the 1984 health act - why ?....its Simple - because the "Science" wont back it, because it cant - even the suspect World Health Organisation tells us that the use of masks in a community setting is not supported. Furthermore, mask wearing can result in a false sense of security, and enhanced risks that come from touching the face. also see page 6 of this thread, where I posted a link to 42 studies on the uselessness and dangers of wearing face masks - it's not rocket science, it doesn't need to be wriggled upon or twisted around - because if we Listen to those in the know, Virologists/molecular biologists, any specialists in this field etc....then we can only arrive at the obvious conclusion that theres no evidence to support face masks being some magical protective barrier - which again...is why the Government has offered no new evidence as to the reasons for reversing it's policy, Why ?....it's obvious, the decision is a purely political one - and for those of other nations to be all following the same groundless tune points to - a Global arrangement.

as you say Anti - it's just your opinion, and I completely understand where its coming from, but is not a place that I and many others can in good conscience go.

[1959_60]

Quelle surprise, I wondered when you'd come out on the side of the muzzlers 59, just confirms all my suspicions about where this is being driven from. Thank you.

No big deal for me Mon Ami, and not worth getting your knickers in a twist about.

I am happy to put a mask on while I do the shop until the risk has diminished sufficiently.

If you are not happy then follow BT's example and don't wear one. You'll be fine and no action will be taken.

I was out at the bakers this morning and one bloke was making a point of not wearing one. The staff reminded him but he still refused. He got served and went on his way, and the rest of us had a chat about our opinion of him.