80s & 90s forgotten classics.

[Red Zone]

I seem to remember in the event of a YES victory a team would be put together to include politicians from across the political spectrum, as well as key experts from outside politics. a non-partisan Team Scotland if you like. But I share your view if it was left to the current SNP Government I'd be worried. But if 62 other countries can successfully negotiate Independence from the UK Im sure Scotland can. Perhaps Bisconti's balls could put himself forward as part of the team

If it comes to it, I would hope that there are not any politicians from any party remotely close to being involved in negotiations. It would need to be staffed by experts in the various fields whether from the civil service or from private industry not by people who are nothing but a big ego with no actual knowledge of how the real world works.

[stewarty27]

If it comes to it, I would hope that there are not any politicians from any party remotely close to being involved in negotiations. It would need to be staffed by experts in the various fields whether from the civil service or from private industry not by people who are nothing but a big ego with no actual knowledge of how the real world works.

I take your point about the competence of some of our politicians, But I think it would be inconceivable not to have elected representatives on a team to lead Scotland's transition to independence. It would also leave a democratic deficit to leave the peoples representatives out. Anyway it's all academic as long as Westminster deny us the right to choose. And I'd rather talk about toons from the 80s & 90s on this thread.

[57vintage]

Is that the old, "too stupid" or a new, " too incompetent" that we can add to the many reasons why Scotland should never be an independent country managing it's own affairs?

You’d need to ask Swinney, since the original quote was his.

Managing one’s own affairs is only possible after a fair, advantageous negotiated settlement. I think the individuals who would presumably be involved in negotiating that have already proven their incompetence, and probably laziness, in day-to-day management and would not give me any confidence going into the bear-pit of an independence settlement as ‘our’ representatives, supposedly our best people. FFS.

I worked fuucking hard in the 77-79 and 97-99 Assembly/Pariament campaigns, and among those giving local input to the Constitutional Convention during the 1980s and 1990s when nationalists were in the huff for 20 years, and I’ve watched the subsidiarity aspiration, the true extension of devolution, totally fuucked over by successive and quality-draining power grabs for partisan control.

Vote in some competent, knowledgable politicians with respect for all parts of the country, to the extent of empowering them, and then I’ll perhaps offer them some respect and support.

[Donanddusted]

Vote in some competent, knowledgable politicians with respect for all parts of the country, to the extent of empowering them, and then I’ll perhaps offer them some respect and support.

Perhaps if enough people actually believed that we could govern ourselves we'd see a better calibre of candidates come forward.
I realise that this is a chicken and the egg situation.
I would be far happier to rid ourselves of useless tw@ts than watch from afar as decisions were made on our behalf which we had no say in and had even less chance of voting the politicians making those decisions out at the next election.

[57vintage]

I'd rather talk about toons from the 80s & 90s on this thread.

Right.

Pick the bones out of THIS ****er, then.

https://youtu.be/fccUi40XWvY

[57vintage]

Or the third-best song about the neo-imperial Malvinas farce.

https://youtu.be/y9gDSxJpH_o

[stewarty27]

Or the third-best song about the neo-imperial Malvinas farce.

https://youtu.be/y9gDSxJpH_o

1st Robert Wyatt Shipbuilding ?
2nd Elvis C Shipbuilding ?
3rd Levellers Another Man's war ?

[57vintage]

A bit of Pete, sir? “And it’s hats off to Hatton” (before they shut the Simmers bakery).

https://youtu.be/ph57IaYdEsY

[Bisconti's balls]

https://youtu.be/DvxxdZpMFHg

https://youtu.be/Qr6NOsluHYg

[57vintage]

More Pete. Apologies to all who were held up by my delivery van parked on the westbound A93 in November 1982 as Mike (wannker) Read played the whole nine minutes on his Radio 1 breakfast show and I listened to this in its glorious inspirational theatrical totality.

https://youtu.be/CTmA1wQOd78