Careless Tories!

[Andy_Faber]

Who takes over from careless Tories then Sith, right wing war mongering Labour, or drop your pants and principles to get in govt Lib Dems?

Lib Green pact anyone?

[Andy_Faber]

It really does doesn’t it? And that saw the Tories in the wilderness for the next 13 years and even then it, ironically, took the Banking Crisis to really knock Labour off course.

Two differences for me. 1. The PM at the time (John Major) was an essentially decent man and I struggle to see anyone with any decency in the upper echelons of the current Conservative Party.
2. The spectre of Farage didn’t exist and who knows what he and his financial backers/manipulators will come up with by the next election? Given the reality of Brexit he should be entirely discredited by now but, as has often been implied, our electorate has a somewhat limited capacity and many amongst them may still be reluctant to accept their mistake.

Yes he was a decent bloke (and I do mean Major not Farage). Never stood a chance

[swaledale]

Yes he was a decent bloke (and I do mean Major not Farage). Never stood a chance

Fundamentally a decent bloke who was lecturing the country on "back to basics" whilst shagging Edwina Curry! Of course by the very low bar set by the current Tory politicians he probably is, but essentially a weak leader and his privatisation of the railways has been an utter disaster!

[ramAnag]

Fundamentally a decent bloke who was lecturing the country on "back to basics" whilst shagging Edwina Curry! Of course by the very low bar set by the current Tory politicians he probably is, but essentially a weak leader and his privatisation of the railways has been an utter disaster!

That is, of course, true...and we all have our failings...but compared with what we have today, each time he speaks he seems like a comparative breath of fresh air to me.

[swaledale]

That is, of course, true...and we all have our failings...but compared with what we have today, each time he speaks he seems like a comparative breath of fresh air to me.

Isn't that because compared to todays shower, anybody looks decent? Also given he isn't holding a position of power or looking to do so in the future its comparatively easy to appear reasonable, though not a given of course.

I accept that there are decent Tories - or at least vaguely competent ones, most of which left after the Boris purge! Just as there are untrustworthy and incompetent Labour politicians.

I do think though that memories are short, Major was responsible for promoting or implementing a number of negative policies during his time in government and of course they ****ed the economy - funny how thats forgotten, yet Labour get blamed for the 2018 world wide financial crash!

Let us also not forget that these people still vote or support the Tory party even during the current few years of disgrace, these "decent" people only appear when all hope of power is receding.

[SithHappens]

Fundamentally a decent bloke who was lecturing the country on "back to basics" whilst shagging Edwina Curry! Of course by the very low bar set by the current Tory politicians he probably is, but essentially a weak leader and his privatisation of the railways has been an utter disaster!

Yeah that was a strange one with Edwina Currie, but then Paddy Pantsdown's popularity surged when news of his indiscretions hit.

[swaledale]

Yeah that was a strange one with Edwina Currie, but then Paddy Pantsdown's popularity surged when news of his indiscretions hit.

Generally I'm not that fussed what people get up to in their private lives, Major's problem was that he was making "family values" (whatever that nebulous term means) a central government policy whilst doing exactly the opposite.

Its what has got Zahawi in trouble, not so much the "carelessness that saw him fined by HMRC for less than clear tax arrangements, but that he sought to intimidate journalists investigating him with legal threats and has refused to be clear on his arrangements since.

Seems to me if he had come clean, admitted it and been honest, the matter would ahve blown over. Even now, he could just have done the honourable thing, accepted that it wasn't good for a Government Minister to be fined by the HMRC, resigned and within months could have been quietly reappointed. His attempts to brazen the matter out will hopefully be his downfall, especially as now other financial arrangements are being investigated and seem equally dubious!

[Trickytreesreds]

good morning everyone, my body clocks ****ed up but I've had a quick scan through.
Wow, this country really is a mess isn't it?
Politicians bent/crooked/out of touch/in denial.

From failure to pay tax, to grinding Joe average tradesman into the dirt by pricing him off the road(I give you Khan defended by Lammy)
The spiteful rhetoric between factions and the unabated invasion of the south coast at the expense of the taxpayer.
The criminals aiding/abbetting them, from murderers to drug pushers. (oh BTW RA, I think you'll find your missing kids weren't kids in the first place. Pretty much like the piece of scum we took in claiming to be 14, but had already killed 2 in Serbia/drugs in Norway and booted out the country). Apparently they lie about their age?
Strikes, Unions determined to ruin the country, energy companies raping in the money. Nothing changes.

I have just spent nearly a month in a country so tranquil to all of this bull ****.
People full of respect(I'll come back to that).
Prices that in no way reflect this so called global suffering. Fuel, 70p a litre/ meal for 6 BBQ £25 all in.

Travel- no entry card now needed. Your stay VISA free extended for 45 days. Can re new at a cop shop for a fiver 30 days(up to 6 months)
No seperate passport queues, all treated the same, even with Thai nationals.
Brought back the fags asked for. £15 for 200? I don't smoke, but I certainly wouldn't be paying £100 here if I did.

Sun shining , 30 deg everyday
Then back here for this misery of politics/ cost of living/ ****ty human behaviour. Marvellous.

NB, RESPECT.

I stopped off in Pattaya for 2 nights on my way north to Koa Yai national park.
What a **** hole it has become. Over run with Russians, who now hold the title of rudest, arrogant, poor behaved yobs in the world.
They have no concept of queuing, treating the locals right (wai) or paying a fair price.
The British lager lout has a bad rep, but this lot are something else.

Keep away from that and life was calm , relaxed and none of the bitter toxicity the UK spews out everyday.
Still, I hope everyone is well and folks learn not to let life wind them up so much.

[SithHappens]

good morning everyone, my body clocks ****ed up but I've had a quick scan through.
Wow, this country really is a mess isn't it?
Politicians bent/crooked/out of touch/in denial.

From failure to pay tax, to grinding Joe average tradesman into the dirt by pricing him off the road(I give you Khan defended by Lammy)
The spiteful rhetoric between factions and the unabated invasion of the south coast at the expense of the taxpayer.
The criminals aiding/abbetting them, from murderers to drug pushers. (oh BTW RA, I think you'll find your missing kids weren't kids in the first place. Pretty much like the piece of scum we took in claiming to be 14, but had already killed 2 in Serbia/drugs in Norway and booted out the country). Apparently they lie about their age?
Strikes, Unions determined to ruin the country, energy companies raping in the money. Nothing changes.

I have just spent nearly a month in a country so tranquil to all of this bull ****.
People full of respect(I'll come back to that).
Prices that in no way reflect this so called global suffering. Fuel, 70p a litre/ meal for 6 BBQ £25 all in.

Travel- no entry card now needed. Your stay VISA free extended for 45 days. Can re new at a cop shop for a fiver 30 days(up to 6 months)
No seperate passport queues, all treated the same, even with Thai nationals.
Brought back the fags asked for. £15 for 200? I don't smoke, but I certainly wouldn't be paying £100 here if I did.

Sun shining , 30 deg everyday
Then back here for this misery of politics/ cost of living/ ****ty human behaviour. Marvellous.

NB, RESPECT.

I stopped off in Pattaya for 2 nights on my way north to Koa Yai national park.
What a **** hole it has become. Over run with Russians, who now hold the title of rudest, arrogant, poor behaved yobs in the world.
They have no concept of queuing, treating the locals right (wai) or paying a fair price.
The British lager lout has a bad rep, but this lot are something else.

Keep away from that and life was calm , relaxed and none of the bitter toxicity the UK spews out everyday.
Still, I hope everyone is well and folks learn not to let life wind them up so much.

Thailand is another in my to do list, sounds like you had a good time.

Good time of year to go too? Nothing like some sun in the winter time.

Queuing, seems to be a british and american thing, makes you wonder if those who don't queue think its odd that we do. What happens back in their own countries? Is it a free for all or is it just away from home they dont queue?

My biggest experience of Russian tourists in big numbers was about 15 years ago in egypt. Lots of throuples (is that the word?), 1 guy with 2 women. Dont recall a rudeness as such but they did like their impromptu photo shoots by the pool.

[ramAnag]

Queuing, seems to be a british and american thing, makes you wonder if those who don't queue think its odd that we do. What happens back in their own countries? Is it a free for all or is it just away from home they dont queue?

My biggest experience of Russian tourists in big numbers was about 15 years ago in egypt. Lots of throuples (is that the word?), 1 guy with 2 women. Dont recall a rudeness as such but they did like their impromptu photo shoots by the pool.

Not sure about that, Sith. The Germans, Swiss, Spanish, Italians, French and Portuguese don’t seem to have an issue with queuing in my experience. I do know some folk who returned from Dubai just before Christmas though...they loved it but apparently it was rammed with Russians who they described as the rudest, most aggressive and pushy people they’d ever come across.