O/T:- Media Bias

[sinophile]

And, democracy? Europeans living in the UK were denied a vote. Maybe fair enough, but British nationals living in Europe were also denied a vote. One or the other would have been reasonable, not both. It is fair to assume both groups would have voted remain, which would have swung the vote the other way.

[keldsyke]

And, democracy? Europeans living in the UK were denied a vote. Maybe fair enough, but British nationals living in Europe were also denied a vote. One or the other would have been reasonable, not both. It is fair to assume both groups would have voted remain, which would have swung the vote the other way.

That’s incorrect I was living and working in Germany at the time and I had a vote… and if you want to know I’d set my mind to vote remain but voted leave… if you wants know the reasons why I’ll tell you later (short on time) but it’s probably not a reason you would expect!

[sinophile]

Apologies, you are correct. It wasn't all Britons living abroad, it was those who had lived abroad for less than 15 years that were eligible. I don't know the numbers, but a significant number were disenfranchised.

[Magpies1959]

I am sure the Leave electorate would have accepted the vote and got back to work as before, not a lot else they could do even if they were so inclined.

[Magpies1959]

Poor old civil servants having to do some hard work , must have been crapping themselves. You can't get them back to work now after covid.

[Magpies1959]

EP just grow, I would just go along with whatever garbage he lumbers the people of this country with, until I get the chance to vote him out. Sadly by then the country will be f00ked.

[Elite_Pie]

EP just grow, I would just go along with whatever garbage he lumbers the people of this country with, until I get the chance to vote him out. Sadly by then the country will be f00ked.

So you expect those who thought Brexit was fundamentally wrong and that "the country would be f00ked" if it happened to support what they didn't believe in once the result was announced. But if the reverse happened in a general election you would suffer it until you got the chance to overturn it.

That sums you up perfectly.

[OchPie]

Newish Pie nobody is asking Remainers to 'fix', in your words Brexit, just don't keep throwing obstacles in the way at every turn to make the divorce unnecessarily difficult.

What made it difficult was Brexiters not having a clue what they wanted and not having a plan of how to get there.

Remainers stopped them breaking the law (thanks, Gina Miller) but the rest was all Brexiters themselves. They'd spent so much of the campaign telling people there were no hard choices to be made about Brexit that when those hard choices came anyway, they didn't have a clue what to do.

[keldsyke]

That’s incorrect I was living and working in Germany at the time and I had a vote… and if you want to know I’d set my mind to vote remain but voted leave… if you wants know the reasons why I’ll tell you later (short on time) but it’s probably not a reason you would expect!

So I had been living and working outside Frankfurt for about five years, life was good, home, wages all the pluses of being in the EU combined with meeting some very special and amazing European and non European friends that remain that now. I was working somewhere with at the time a combined total of 32 (if I remember correctly) different nationalities from all around the world. So along comes Brexit and as there were only 5 of us Brit’s within a total of just over 200 employees the subject of Brexit was a hot topic with everyone. So, I’m happy with life and primed to vote remain, then as the vote date got nearer I was getting visits from quite a few different people about Brexit and how I was going to vote, mainly from Germans, French, Italians Belgians, Polish etc. ultimately the question would come up on how I was going to vote, on hearing that I was going to vote remain without a shadow of doubt everyone said I must vote to come out as when / if they get the chance they would vote to come out. It was really interesting (particularly from the Italians) on how the EU had impacted them and their families particularly with illegal immigration, and lack of work etc. it had a big impact on me, and made me realize that all is not well in the EU and there are a large percentage who given the chance would get out asap and all is not rosy as people living in the UK were thinking at the time and given time the whole thing will implode. Do I think I made the right choice, well I live by the mantra ‘you always do what you think was right at the time, and I still think it’s right, I speak to friends on the continent a lot and the feelings are still the same, Germany is even worse off now, countries like Poland are sticking two fingers up at the EU and won’t abide to European law, what made me laugh at the time was that some peoples reasoning for stopping in the EU were solely based on having cheaper roaming charges and that they would miss out on European travel rail cards all is not as rosy as people think with the residents of Europe just don’t think everyone is happy with it, as given a choice there’s a lot that would change it.

BTW: I really miss living in Germany, their way of life and how things are focused on people and family life and protecting workers is something we could learn from, sadly I think we are way past that point and could never pull it back.

[Mapperleypie]

So I had been living and working outside Frankfurt for about five years, life was good, home, wages all the pluses of being in the EU combined with meeting some very special and amazing European and non European friends that remain that now. I was working somewhere with at the time a combined total of 32 (if I remember correctly) different nationalities from all around the world. So along comes Brexit and as there were only 5 of us Brit’s within a total of just over 200 employees the subject of Brexit was a hot topic with everyone. So, I’m happy with life and primed to vote remain, then as the vote date got nearer I was getting visits from quite a few different people about Brexit and how I was going to vote, mainly from Germans, French, Italians Belgians, Polish etc. ultimately the question would come up on how I was going to vote, on hearing that I was going to vote remain without a shadow of doubt everyone said I must vote to come out as when / if they get the chance they would vote to come out. It was really interesting (particularly from the Italians) on how the EU had impacted them and their families particularly with illegal immigration, and lack of work etc. it had a big impact on me, and made me realize that all is not well in the EU and there are a large percentage who given the chance would get out asap and all is not rosy as people living in the UK were thinking at the time and given time the whole thing will implode. Do I think I made the right choice, well I live by the mantra ‘you always do what you think was right at the time, and I still think it’s right, I speak to friends on the continent a lot and the feelings are still the same, Germany is even worse off now, countries like Poland are sticking two fingers up at the EU and won’t abide to European law, what made me laugh at the time was that some peoples reasoning for stopping in the EU were solely based on having cheaper roaming charges and that they would miss out on European travel rail cards all is not as rosy as people think with the residents of Europe just don’t think everyone is happy with it, as given a choice there’s a lot that would change it.

BTW: I really miss living in Germany

It's really great you had the freedom to go and live and work in the EU and gain such wonderful life experience.

Pity that's no longer an option anymore. And for what? Bendy Bananas?