Give the manager more time

[upthemaggies]

It would be more useful if it was weighted to the league position of the opponents? SM has had a very difficult first few games (before last night).

What about form? Stags and Wrexham were in poor form when we played them, Barrow have only won two games since Christmas and Gillingham were below us when SM arrived.
You can chuck in all sorts of variables but the bottom line is he's won 1 game out 7, lost 5 out of the last 6 and dropped us down from 6th to 14th in a league where apparently "anybody can beat anybody" as the saying always goes...... unless you've got Maynard in charge I guess.

[sinophile]

you've slightly misinterpreted what I was saying. Of course, current form when we played each team might be a better indication. All I was suggesting is that the stats are blunt instruments. Slightly different contexts might give different outcomes, I don't know. My comment was not a defence of SM. I think the sensible thing will be to give him more time, when more evidence will be available.

[upthemaggies]

All I was suggesting is that the stats are blunt instruments.

They are yes, but ultimately that's what it all hinges on, the final league table being no less blunt and paying no mercy to crucial decisions going against you, long term injuries, your rivals getting lucky with meeting more teams just before they sacked their manager etc. etc.

[matt_magpie]

It’s amazing how many people just down tools and result to insulting fans, the players, the manager and owners because the season isn’t panning out how they wanted. I’ve got gripes with a couple of the players but on the whole most people at the club are trying to pull it in the right direction.
SM needs more time, there have been good performances, most notably away and as for the talk about the owners screwed up with Warnock, have they actually realised he’s not won a game in the league with Aberdeen yet?
We’ve had a great 18 months, it’s a bad period, we’re not use to loosing the last few years.
The owners won’t panic and will learn from this, I am certain of this.

[matt_magpie]

Agreed. Historically we have been like that. Just like every other club, up and down the land.

And in this instance, we’re all looking at a guy who was stuck up a BT pole a few months ago and pro (allegedly) footballers who obviously don’t respect him.
We need a manager who is going to demand more. Demand physicality. Demand effort.
And so far, Maynard doesn’t seem to be that guy.

These Pro footballers must respect us less, we were there all the NL years, the fact is fans have got restless with the teams defensive frailties and some players haven’t got the minerals to get through that pressure unfortunately.

[Jampie]

I respect people's right to express their opinions, and indeed reading such is the entire reason I come to this board really, but I honestly have trouble believing people seriously think bringing a manager in then sacking him after seven games is going to solve anything.

In any position in the real world the standard is 90 days / 3 months to see if someone can handle themselves in a position. For football managers / head coaches I try to reserve judgement until at least ten games in.

I absolutely agree that so far SM is not working out. But in the owners' position I would certainly be giving him more time just as a matter of basic sanity.

There are obviously deep problems with our defence. Our last game we scored three goals and had 66% possession or so. If we hadn't also managed to concede four goals, that would have been a roaring success and we'd all be praising the new guy. I am absolutely one hundred percent behind the idea that we need to strengthen our defence at the next window and sincerely hope we do so.

I have to admit I found it a bit wacky we brought in yet another attacking player when our defence has been our entire problem all season. So I assume Jatta is a fantastic prospect. Cos otherwise that makes absolutely no sense. Hopefully he's another Reuben-level player for us in the fullness of time

In the mean time, hopefully SM can turn the ship around at least somewhat in the coming games. Maybe he needs to stick with four at the back. Let's see what he does and try to get behind him and our ailing defence. I think it's telling that we seem weaker at home than we are away: perhaps thousands of fans screaming at you and booing every time you make a mistake isn't the best thing for confidence or something.

[slack_pie]

I respect people's right to express their opinions, and indeed reading such is the entire reason I come to this board really, but I honestly have trouble believing people seriously think bringing a manager in then sacking him after seven games is going to solve anything.

In any position in the real world the standard is 90 days / 3 months to see if someone can handle themselves in a position. For football managers / head coaches I try to reserve judgement until at least ten games in.

I absolutely agree that so far SM is not working out. But in the owners' position I would certainly be giving him more time just as a matter of basic sanity.

There are obviously deep problems with our defence. Our last game we scored three goals and had 66% possession or so. If we hadn't also managed to concede four goals, that would have been a roaring success and we'd all be praising the new guy. I am absolutely one hundred percent behind the idea that we need to strengthen our defence at the next window and sincerely hope we do so.

I have to admit I found it a bit wacky we brought in yet another attacking player when our defence has been our entire problem all season. So I assume Jatta is a fantastic prospect. Cos otherwise that makes absolutely no sense. Hopefully he's another Reuben-level player for us in the fullness of time

In the mean time, hopefully SM can turn the ship around at least somewhat in the coming games. Maybe he needs to stick with four at the back. Let's see what he does and try to get behind him and our ailing defence. I think it's telling that we seem weaker at home than we are away: perhaps thousands of fans screaming at you and booing every time you make a mistake isn't the best thing for confidence or something.

Nailed it. Sacking a manager after six weeks would be crazy. All sane neutrals and football pundits would call us out for not giving him more time. The narrative would be "Notts return to their old ways of hiring and firing." We'd look like a complete joke.

Football fans are naturally emotional. Thankfully, our owners aren't. I expect them to give Maynard more time and support, and all this talk of sacking him and who we should replace him with simply isn't helpful right now. Do people have any idea how disruptive it would be to have three head coaches in three months, as well as an interim head coach? And as I've said before, what happens if the new-new man starts with a poor run of results because our defenders continue to make stupid mistakes? Then what?

We all need to keep calm and support the team.

[irishpete]

Nailed it. Sacking a manager after six weeks would be crazy. All sane neutrals and football pundits would call us out for not giving him more time. The narrative would be "Notts return to their old ways of hiring and firing." We'd look like a complete joke.

Football fans are naturally emotional. Thankfully, our owners aren't. I expect them to give Maynard more time and support, and all this talk of sacking him and who we should replace him with simply isn't helpful right now. Do people have any idea how disruptive it would be to have three head coaches in three months, as well as an interim head coach? And as I've said before, what happens if the new-new man starts with a poor run of results because our defenders continue to make stupid mistakes? Then what?

We all need to keep calm and support the team.

Why is it crazy & a joke. People & businesses make mistakes. Takes balls to admit especially early on. Take it from me, you get an idea within the first week, whether you have been sold a lemon. I think you will find the football world was surprised at our appointment like a lot of fans

[matt_magpie]

I think for me to think some of these players aren’t playing for him because of where he came from is probably wrong. We have 5 or 6 players that have played below NL level so it would be poor if that was their view. I don’t see a Mcgoldrick not putting a shift in and Bostocks levels were well down before he arrived so don’t think it’s a senior pro thing either.

[slack_pie]

Why is it crazy & a joke. People & businesses make mistakes. Takes balls to admit especially early on. Take it from me, you get an idea within the first week, whether you have been sold a lemon. I think you will find the football world was surprised at our appointment like a lot of fans

Our owners weren't just taking a random punt on someone. It wasn't a gamble that backfired. They will have thought long and hard about the type of coach they wanted 'in the building' before settling on Maynard.

The reasons why they chose him haven't disappeared or been invalidated because of a three of four poor results. For the same reason you wouldn't drop a lot of money on a certain stock that you've spent many hours analysing only to panic sell it a few weeks later because it went down 5%.

What I'm trying to say is, major decisions that change the course of the club's future take time to make. You need to be absolutely certain you are making the right decision and that you have exhausted all possibilities of a turnaround in fortunes.

Sacking the manager isn't the first thing you do so solve a problem, it's one of the last. Being in danger of relegation would force a bit more urgency, but we aren't in that position yet.

Thank god our owners don't think like some of our fans do, or we'd be back to three managers a season and eternal decline.