Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[WTF11]

@ WTF and there's you refusing to accept your beloved BBC manipulated the truth about J6 and lies about Trump's popularity. Refusing to acknowledge Stamer is a traitor. Refusing to acknowledge Muslim immigration is destroying the UK. Refusing to acknowledge the covid debacle was a massive scam to test the IQ of the population to see just how far the politicians could manipulate you. If you were in Nazi Germany you'd have been one of the first to report Anne Frank's whereabouts. Refusing to acknowledge that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are there unlawfully. That's what the word "illegal" means!!! Duh! Refusing to acknowledge that Trump has inflation way down compared to the 9-10% under previous administration.
Haha....your TDS has you defending illegal immigrants, multi billion $ fraud, communism, BLM riots that destroyed $billions of property, using tax dollars to pay illegal immigrants more than native born citizens, Stamer etc etc....but I'm the one who needs help!!!!! Hahaha. You really need a Pfizer vaccine to treat your rabid TDS and don't forget all the boosters! LOL.

Yes, you do need help.

[whitestomper45]

@ WTF and there's you refusing to accept your beloved BBC manipulated the truth about J6 and lies about Trump's popularity. Refusing to acknowledge Stamer is a traitor. Refusing to acknowledge Muslim immigration is destroying the UK. Refusing to acknowledge the covid debacle was a massive scam to test the IQ of the population to see just how far the politicians could manipulate you. If you were in Nazi Germany you'd have been one of the first to report Anne Frank's whereabouts. Refusing to acknowledge that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are there unlawfully. That's what the word "illegal" means!!! Duh! Refusing to acknowledge that Trump has inflation way down compared to the 9-10% under previous administration.
Haha....your TDS has you defending illegal immigrants, multi billion $ fraud, communism, BLM riots that destroyed $billions of property, using tax dollars to pay illegal immigrants more than native born citizens, Stamer etc etc....but I'm the one who needs help!!!!! Hahaha. You really need a Pfizer vaccine to treat your rabid TDS and don't forget all the boosters! LOL.

I try stay off politics threads as there are clear divides, folk not willing to listen or change views given any info (Brexit for instance) but am interested when you say Covid was a scam! In what way? Cheers

[WTF11]

And now we have the man-child posting childish insulting posts on X, pictures showing his fantasy view of the world and publishing supposedly private messages from other world leaders and suggesting the UK government is stupid for transferring the Chagos Islands to Mauritius in a deal SIGNED OFF BY HIS ADMINISTRATION LESS THAN 9 MONTHS AGO.

Since he was inaugurated those dealing with him have pursued appeasement in the face of his bullying. Appeasement of a dictator and the head of a mighty military has been tried before, Chamberlain went to Munich and came back proclaiming "Peace in our time". Hitler decided otherwise.

Trump understands and will respond to one approach and one only, but where it hurts and in his case that is in the pocketbook. Europe owns 80% of USA debt, and the USA depends upon exports from the EU and UK for economic success. Let's see when he stands up at Davos and what he says, the EU and the UK are prepared to make life much harder for the US.

[spaldy]

I try stay off politics threads as there are clear divides, folk not willing to listen or change views given any info (Brexit for instance) but am interested when you say Covid was a scam! In what way? Cheers

WS,

I'll address some of the items that made Covid a scam:

1) the death rate was no higher in countries that did little or nothing than the countries who went into full lockdown and mandated vaccines. Some of the worlds poorest countries in Africa did nothing and had very low death rates.
The swine flu, H1Ni and Hong kong virus had higher death rates.
2) The virus originated in Wuhan china but the chinese never allowed any forensic studiies of it's origin or evolution
3) China did not allow travel of Wuhan people in china. They were allowed to go anywhere else in the world
3) The vaccines were untested and ineffective. They did not prevent or slow down the spread. The side effects were the hundred of thousands and would never have been allowed in any other vaccines. The healthcare workers saw huge spikes in myocarditis and heart attacks and strokes after injections but were not allowed to report them. Many quit rather than take the vaccine.
4) Masks did not work. It was a ruse to test how docile we were. The virus is smaller than the mask filter rate.
5) Social distancing did not work. it was a respirable virus and we were all going to be exposed like all other virus
) Governments shut down businesses and schools and knew that nothing was going to prevent the spread. It did not slow the spread.
7) Many freedoms, liberties and assets were seized without any effect on the spread but continued long after it had spread throughout the world.
8) No scientific analysis or research that did not fit the narrative of the governments was allowed. The "news" censored any opinion contrary to their position in spite of the above
9) Canadian truckers and businesses that did not comply lost their businesses, trucks and personal bank accounts and many do not have them back
10 Vaccine mfg were given absolute immunity and made trillions of dollars. No over vaccine has ever had that and no vaccine has ever been less effective with more side effects
11) Healthcare providers, nurses and aides that did not agree to get injected lost their license. This is why the hospitals could not keep up. Many nurses and doctors quit rather than take the vaccine.
12) Many execs and high ranking employees at these vaccine mfg did not take the vaccine.
13) Businesses were selectively targeted. Churches, Retail stores, Gyms, Government offices, and entertainment venues were ordered closed while liquor stores, pot stores and bunesses owned by politicians and regulators were open. Government workers continued to get paid. Most of the rest of us did not and many businesses failed.
14) open air sports and parks, beaches, parks and trails were closed. No effect other than control of the masses.
15) alternative treatments such as Ivermectin that were shown to have an effect on the spike protein were outlawed even though many reported it effetctive and having been proven for over 80 years as safe

It was the perfect control test case for the government and it's control over the population. They basically showed that they can do anything they want without any sort of scientific research, testing or support and the vast majority of the population will follow orders without question.

It was the greatest scam in the history of mankind.

[Billyni]

Personally wish I had never taken the vaccine anyway.

[whitestomper45]

Spaldy, I agree many healthcare and related personal resigned, that's due to personal reasons... bit like RJK and his reasons for telling you folk not to bother with measles vaccination or that Paracetamol is bad for pregnant women, not sure how that's going down particularly in Texas...

New Zealand, who had the most stringent lockdown, were the most successful at keeping numbers low and other countries with better controls also had better results: Vietnam, Taiwan... Nearly everywhere else was half baked measures starting too late then stop/start ongoing or not enough info.

I lost 2 friends to covid who worked in hospitals and didn't take jabs.

I lost 2 mates, they were twins and also one of their cousins also died, they caught it at infamous Grand National meeting that should have been scrapped.

"Open Air" games were stopped because people have to travel to a venue, maybe by train/bus its not just the actual event to consider (Grand National) Not sure why every country would agree to having some kind of ruse going on worldwide...

[Oranje White]

Thank you Spaldy. Great answer!
By scaring the population into hysteria over a virus with a....not 40% death rate, not 4%...but 0.4%, they had people begging to have their rights and freedoms removed in the name of safety. I have a good friend who was a doctor during that time. Her clinic used to get 1-2 patients per WEEK complaining of heart issues, prior, on average. After the "vaccine" rollout, that went to 8-10 per DAY! She immediately began asking questions and advising patients on her observations. She was fired and lost her licence. At her trial, the medical board would not let her speak!! First, do no harm, right? No! First, shut up! With immune systems destroyed, "turbo" cancers appeared. I never heard that term before. In the US they pushed Remdesivir, nicknamed "run, death is near" knowing it would kill patients but hospitals got $30k for every covid death. Killed in a car crash but had covid? That's a covid death! Gunshot death but had covid symptoms? That's a covid death! We all saw politicians telling us to stay indoors, don't travel, wear a mask, don't socialize, but those rules were for us, not them. The .media helped out peddling fear and in reward were given taxpayer money and lucrative pharma advertising contracts.
I could go on for hours. There are people in denial over this in much the same way as a person scammed will try to justify their poor choice, but it's real. Many of my colleagues who took the jab have noticed a decline in their health. Some have had serious heart or health issues and can no longer work. A few had unexpected deaths. Wives have had a noticeable increase in miscarriages. But we're told....that's just another coincidence!
Be afraid, very afraid, of what these evil traitors have planned.

[spaldy]

WS,

It was a horrible virus and I won't go into conjecture as to whether it was engineered in a lab or who funded it. I have strong beliefs on that but we will likely never know the whole truth.

My wife was a nurse at a premier childrens hospital and worked in the transplant unit. She was a top nurse in a world class hospital. She contracted Covid in late January 2020 (before it was a thing) and was horribly sick for a week. She had the constitution of a horse since she worked there for 20+ years and was exposed to about every disease in the world. The sickest of the sick end up in specialty pediatric hospitals. She was exposed to everything over those years. She went through the swine flu, H1N1 as well as several others that the names escape me. it's what happens when you work at specialty hospital. Like the rest of the world she had no defense to this respirable virus and there were not treatment protocols.

This one was different right from the get go. it went through the staff and everyone got it except some of the third world patients or doctors. Later on it was determined that one of the common denominators was that these people were on Ivermectin for various reasons... primarily parasites. They still got sick but no where near the norm. It's also why third world countries with little or no access to vaccines had very low death rates. I got sick the first week of February and was sick as a dog for over a week. I rarely got sick since I was exposed to her germs over the years.

Where is got real strange was when the vaccines were developed and started being mandated to the staff and advised it was mandatory. As you know once you get exposed to a virus and recover you have antibodies. While viruses mutate you generally don't get really sick from the mutation since you have natural resistance. Many of the workers that were already sick just assumed they'd not have to take the vaccine and, typical of healthcare, thought the vaccine should be given to those that had not been sick yet and they'd wait their turn. They were exposed daily and no longer getting sick.

Where it got real strange for them is that the hospital created a "vaccine response team". In the past when a child came in that had an adverse reaction to a vaccine (rare but does happen) the nurse heading up treatment would fill out the VARS report form and send it. However, in this case they had to notify the response team and were advised to remove themselves from the siituation. By the end they had to sign a non disclosure form. The response team was also responsible for making sure that everyone was vaccinated and personally oversaw the administration of the vaccine. My wife saw dozens of serious vaccine reactions and was very concerned. On a normal year you might see a small number and that included a several state area that feeds into this hospital. She avoided the vaccine for a month but quit due to vaccine as well as what was going on. Some of the nursing staff that stayed and worked had horrible reactions from the shot or shots. This reaction was often almost immediate and severe.


None of the above makes any sense even in the strange Covid world. She still suffers mentally from what she witnessed was going on. She's a much less cynical person than I am (you have to be when working in a hospital with the sickest kids in the state). She's not the only one of her long time nurses that feel this way. The cognitive dissonance for them is off the scale. They believe in the medical system but they knew something was seriously wrong. The concept of pure evil and greed of this scale is alien to them.

My daughter is a specialized cancer nurse with all of the certifications and credentials and works at a specialized cancer hospital in her town. They have seen a tremendous spike in Blood born (lymphomas) post covid. Almost all are vaccinated and boosted.

The items listed in my first post a pretty easy to verify or disprove even for layman such as me. There is no denying that millions died due to this virus. It's also basic biology that once you've had a virus there is no reason to adminster a vaccine when you have natural immunity. We will never know how many people died from the vaccine because VARS was shut down by the caregivers not reporting during this period. Obviously Co- morbidities were a huge factor. However, one thing that was known right away is that healthy children had little or no risk of dying or long covid from the virus. Many of us know of someone that was badly damaged by the adverse reaction from the vaccine or boosters. The risk from the vaccine was much higher than the virus itself and the long term damage to society due to the impact of shutting down schools as well as eliminating social contact and healthy physical activities will scar this generation for decades.

It is a scam and evil that even by human standards is appalling.

[spaldy]

OW

I feel for your friend. Too many stories like that. The loss of faith /belief in government and the medical system will likely never go away. There are too many people that were exposed to medical stories like hers. The reality is that nursing was already going to be very tight labor pool wise in the future but now it's really dire in many places. The number of nurses that quit or went to a different industry sped up the shortage.

I think a hospital over here in the US recieved over 20K per death plus normal billing for covid from the government. Everyone died of covid.

[spaldy]

PS I suspect that NZ is much healthier than most other countries. If it?s subject to malaria then many of the residents likely take anti malaria or anti parasites. Those seem to have an effect on the virus